New contemporary counterfeit thred.....

So i posted this coin asking if it was a fake or not ( and it is lol ) but somebody suggested it could be a C. Counterfeit. I tracked down a thred on them on here and posted pictures of it, asking. After reading thru the older posts, i realized that the thred was from 2016. So i starting a new one asking if theres and contemporary counterfeit coin experts that could comment on mine and lead me in the right direction please. Thank you all in advance.

 

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I've followed this coin across multiple threads now. I still have no idea if it is a modern or contemporary counterfeit, all I know is it is a counterfeit. Despite @okbustchaser 's assertion that it was genuine (it definitely isn't).

I am truly curious if we have any experts in contemporary counterfeits who can help identify this one, or if it is a modern cheap counterfeit. It looks old to me, but I haven't studied contemporary counterfeits as much as some others.

 

On the obverse, the small dots lining the circumference are irregular, particularly at 10 o’clock. This indicates that the metal entering the mold had too much viscosity to fill the entire cavity, leaving small bead shapes of various sizes. Overall the details on the coin are a bit soft, but I’d say those irregular dots at 10 o’clock confirm it’s a cast coin. I believe those coins should also have an edge design or writing (my half does), how does that look? There may be signs of a seam.

I also posted a thread on this topic today relating to an 8 reale I bought that I have questions about. It really is a shame that counterfeits are so prolific. I’m tempted to just never buy coins over $20. But to address your question, I don’t know anything about specific modern counterfeiters, other than they’ve been cold forging actual planchettes (often with coin silver) for years now. There is also a percentage of copper and lead that will yield the correct weight. I would love to know what that alloy would have for a specific gravity.

 

Lol i have no illusions that its real. As for the side its reeded and under magnification there no seem. But heres a couple pictures of the side

 

And i forgot to add that theres someone named even8 on the other thred from 2016 thats posted tons of his fakes but i dont know how to reach outto him or upload a picture to him privately.

 

Yheuppp.

That edge on that date is fake.

No further discussion required.

There are some dates of some early coins with some variations of some edges. That ain't one of them.

 

Iam still not sure, i know that its fake, but could you explain a lil better for me please. The edge of the date or the edge of the coin. Srry again tho.

 

I dunno, @physics-fan3.14 will not like my opinion, but I can see this being a genuine coin with some distortion due to abuse. If you are able to get an accurate weight and density/specific gravity reading on it, that would settle the matter.

Edit: Actually I just noticed it says just 10 rather than 10 C. Never mind what I said above
That is a common occurrence on older copies.

 

Older as in the last 50 60 years or older as in the last 170ish years? And it was the 10 missing the ( C. ) that lead me to assume its a fake and first posted on it.

 

Difficult to say from photos. If it were a circulating counterfeit then the weight or silver purity should be lower than normal. If both are normal, then it wouldn't make much sense for a counterfeiter to produce as there would not be any profit and only risk.

 

Awesome thank you @Numismat. Iam gunna take it to a jewler and see if i cant test its purity. I know theyve tested my lil gold to see if it was real but i hadnt thought about seeing if they could do that.

 

Note how the denticles on the left side go down to a smaller size and are uneven. No genuine coin would look like that.



I think that this piece is fairly modern. It might even be a badly made Chinese counterfeit.

Here is a contemporary counterfeit of an 1837 half dollar. This piece, along with many more, were illustrated in Don Taxy's book Counterfeit, Mis-struck and Unoffical U.S. Coins which was published in 1963. The counterfeiter missed the memo that the mint was putting reeded edges on its half dollars in 1837. This "rare item" has a lettered edge! The piece is made of German silver. (e.g. copper, nickel, zinc)

 

I collect contemporary counterfeits and I pretty much guarantee it is a contemporary counterfeit. It doesnt have the look of a modern cast fake. Also pretty sure a modern fake would have atleast put a C next to the 10 on the reverse.

I could see this piece easily fooling a merchant back in those days. JMO

 

There is a "C" by the "10," but it is very light. The cast or die was probably filled in that area.



I think that the counterfeiter tried to strengthen the word "UNIUM" in the moto, but thought better of trying to do the other letters because the result did not match the rest of the piece for sharpness.

 

Thank you @Evan8 i was hoping you chimed in. Heres a picture of the 10 and where the ( C. ) should be while the wife was holding a magnifying glass.

 

@johnmilton has a good point about those denticles. Those do look Chinese.

Gerry Fortin has a couple of capped dimes on his site but they are really rough.
http://www.seateddimevarieties.com/FS_Lists/bogo.htm

The crudeness of the date on op's piece along with the what I would call "false wear" on the central details of the piece tell me contemporary, but again I might be second guessing myself. I don't know if I have ever seen a Chinese cast bust dime before to compare it to.

 

Thank you @Evan8 i read thur the link you provided and sent out an email asking for an opinion. And thank you everyone else that posted on here helping out a newbee, lol.

 

I'm not knowledgeable about this series. What should the edge look like?

 

You know what, I actually think I was wrong on that one. The dime should be reeded.

The half dollar had a lettered edge, but the lower denominations were reeded. My mistake.

 

I made the same mistake at first too . . . we're so used to seeing bust halves, but dimes not so much.