GTG - 1852-O Dime

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by ToughCOINS, Aug 25, 2019.

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What do you grade it?

  1. VF30

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. VF35

    2 vote(s)
    5.4%
  3. XF40

    9 vote(s)
    24.3%
  4. XF45

    14 vote(s)
    37.8%
  5. AU50

    5 vote(s)
    13.5%
  6. AU53

    2 vote(s)
    5.4%
  7. AU55

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Details

    5 vote(s)
    13.5%
  1. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I guess I'm the "lberal" here. I voted AU-53. There is not much wear on this piece. some of the mushiness and the depression to the left of Ms. Liberty's are mint caused in my opinion. The left and right obverse fields are a differnet color, but the worst I might say about it is "market acceptable." It might just be a circulation rub.

    If you guys think you are going to get an EF-45 that looks like this, unless it's a very old holder, it's not going to happen. Most EF-45 graded coins are disappointing these days.
     
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  3. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

  4. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    I assumed that if it was cleaned, that a TPG would obviously mark it "details," wouldn't that be the case?
     
  5. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Correct.

    My intent was that you would, in grading the coin, also decide whether it was a details coin or not. If details for cleaning, wheel marks, a scratch, or other impairment, you would select "Details" instead of a numerical grade.
     
  6. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    My bad. Doh!
     
  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I'm at 45 regardless of cleaned or not.
     
  8. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

  9. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    I’m at 35 .
     
  10. Santinidollar

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  11. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Much better photos . . .

    0.10-1852-o-3.jpg 2.50-1927-4.jpg 2.50-1927-5.jpg
     
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  12. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    For those who think that this coin has a lot of wear, you need to compare with the amount of detail on a Mint State and even a Proof example.

    This is the "With Arrows" type, but the basic artwork is from the same source. NGC graded this piece MS-64.

    1853DimeO.JPG 1853DimeR.JPG

    And here is Proof example of the type.

    1858 Dime O.jpg 1858 Dime R.jpg

    The design detail on this coins was not sharp. This was Robert Ball Hughes' "improvement" over the orginal work by Gobrecht which did have much sharper detail.

    1838 Dime O.jpg 1838 Dime R.jpg
     
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  13. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I judged this coin purely on how much luster remained
     
  14. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Yes, luster is a big factor. I thought that there was some in the protected areas between the stars. One of the problems with original surface coins in grading them is that the toning knocks down the luster. Years ago this coin would have been dipped or cleaned and sold as an AU or Unc.
     
  15. halfcent1793

    halfcent1793 Well-Known Member

    EF details. Cleaned.
     
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  16. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    It looks like it has an old cleaning. I'll go with XF45(Details).
     
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  17. Murphy45p

    Murphy45p Active Member

    Someone here educate me a little. I went with details because I thought the coin was cleaned. I based my opinion on the overall appearance of the coin compared to the toning between the O and the N on the reverse as well as inside the mint mark. Am I looking at that correctly? The coin shows good detail, the TPG seemed to get that part on the money in my opinion.

    So what gives? Was it cleaned or not? And if so, why did it not get a details grade?
     
  18. Murphy45p

    Murphy45p Active Member

    The design detail on this coins was not sharp. This was Robert Ball Hughes' "improvement" over the orginal work by Gobrecht which did have much sharper detail.

    Gorgeous coin! What did that one grade?
     
  19. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The 1838 is a PCGS MS-64. Some people would not like it because it was dipped years ago.
     
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  20. Murphy45p

    Murphy45p Active Member

    Your collection never ceases to astound me.
     
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  21. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Thank you! I hope to inspire and educate other collectors.
     
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