How do uncirculated coin sets have damage?

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  1. MCPark82

    MCPark82 Active Member

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    (BTW- I don’t think I see any errors or anything out of the ordinary besides the chips and cracks; these are all normal looking to me!)
     
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  3. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    What damage are you seeing? I see a lot of lint, dust and paper fragments/fibers from the Mint set.

    What's a bank set? You mean a Mint Set?
     
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  4. MCPark82

    MCPark82 Active Member

    Carbon spots on penny, big scratch thru the eagle on reverse of quarter, scratches all over monticello among other coins... maybe I’m judging too harshly?
     
  5. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Even if these sets were never opened there is never a 100% guarantee that some coins could not have been mishandled when they were assembled at the Mint. The Jefferson nickels almost always had imperfections on the reverse. Philly quality control has always been a subject of consternation. They really do not have the same quality control in place as Denver or San Fran. In addition, it is always also possible to see spots form eventually as all plastic is permeable and therefore subject to the coins environment. Maybe stored in an attic, a cellar or even a closet without the right humidity and temperature. I have often found fibers inside both Mint & Proof sets, likely from the handlers gloves. A dusty environment at the Mint could also allow fibers and dust into the cases before they are sealed. The coin most likely to suffer is the cent post 1982 as they have a tendency to spot from the poor make up of zinc with the copper plating.
     
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  6. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    The carbon spots are environmental damage. Are the scratches on the coins or on the case?
     
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  7. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    The biggest thing wrong most make is assuming the Mint did their job correctly. So many will just put the Mint & proof sets away for a long time without checking them. The best thing is to check them as soon as you get them and if you see defects, ask for a replacement. Hindsight is 20/20 as has been said.
     
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  8. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

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    The quality control at Philly stinks!

    @MCPark82- You could always "gently and slowly" open the case, pop the coins out, give them an acetone bath, blow off the lint and paper fibers and put it back.
     
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  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I've never heard of a bank set. In fact, I've never heard of a bank selling sets of coins or any uncirculated coins.
     
  10. Lawtoad

    Lawtoad Well-Known Member

    These coins were placed in the holder after they left the mint. It is likely they could have been dinged around when they were removed from the mint packaging. I am not aware that the mint packaged mint sets in these plastic holders. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. They were put into cellophane and then into an envelope, then boxed up. The holder in this case appears to be after market. Here is what the 1990 mint sets looked like when they left the mint (picture appropriated from the internet).

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  11. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

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  12. MCPark82

    MCPark82 Active Member

    I bought it from the bank, if you’re suggesting someone might’ve done that lol
     
  13. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    Looks as packaged from the mint to me. The coins anyway.
     
  14. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    Hmmm, never know that either!!!

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  15. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    First is is not a mint set. It is a set put together in the aftermarket and sold by a private company. The coins in the set may have come from a mint set, but it is much more likely they were just pulled from new rolls from boxes of circulation coins.

    A "bank set" is usually a set of circulating coins put together by a private company and provided to a bank that sells them at an inflated price with the bank and the supplier splitting the profits. Around here at one time all the banks in the area were provided with coins to sell by Silvertowne. Silvertowne is just about 20 miles down the road. So the local bans sold sets like that along with other items, bullion silver eagles in a display case for $27 when silver was $14, stuff like that.
     
  16. Lawtoad

    Lawtoad Well-Known Member

    I have heard the term before and I think it refers to a set of coins put together from coins obtained from the bank. Not sure about that.
     
  17. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Nope, that is an aftermarket holder.
     
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  18. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    You mean the envelope? I was talking about that one.
    My bad
     
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  19. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    How much did you pay?
     
  20. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Lawtoad, the set you posted IS a US Mint issue, the aftermarket holder I was referring to was the one the OP has.
     
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  21. Lawtoad

    Lawtoad Well-Known Member

    I think I said the holder in the OP was aftermarket. The original mint sets were in cellophane. Sorry if I was not clear. Mint products have identifiers on the holders showing they are U.S. Mint packaged. I was just showing what mint sets looked like when they left the mint. That's all.
     
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