A doubled die is considered a variety. An error would be something like a clipped planchet, cud, strike through, die clashes, etc... As far as 2017s go, I've seen a few doubled dies that have been found. More can be found here: http://doubleddie.com/2318537.html Nothing that screams "major" like the 55DDO, 72DDO, or 83DDR, etc... in my opinion.
The design is erroneous. Has been since 2011. Pretty sure Lincoln never had giant spherical depressions in his chest and above his ear!
1st time poster .... hack numismatic. Curious to know if this qualifies as either an error or variety. Any thoughts?
Bump. Any thoughts on this 2017-P penny? It appears to have been a defective planchet, e.g. Obverse date and mint-mark would have suffered if PMD; and, Reverse “America” letters would have suffered even greater damage, rather than the apparent mechanical doubling. Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks.
Damage Occurred after minting Since the damage area makes it not round it would not fit in the chamber without significant striking damage.
Thanks. It just seemed odd. I would have thought the date/mint-mark would have shown more of the damage, if it were PMD. Instead, the “2017” and “P” are in tact. The “2017” and “P” retained their symmetry, despite damage occurring all around them. I would have expected they’d show greater effect of whatever impact, crimping, etc.
that's the question. "what" and "how" was the damage done. it's better to be able to identify damage rather than try to explain that it can't be damage. It's obviously damaged. The obverse was pushed in Twice, or looks to be pushed in twice. This has flattened the rim too, and pushed out the edges making it NOT round. So it wouldn't be able to fit in the chamber at this point. And in the chamber it would not strike over the rim. the 7 is obviously chopped in half. Lower part of the 7 flattened. 1 cut in half from 2 flattened areas top of P mm flatten/cut rim flattened, etc. - it's not "intact" as you state. But it is damaged in those areas you are stating are intact. Just look closer. The damage was a vertical damage pushing it down. If it was a shearing, sideways damage it would wipe it out more, but it was just pushed down. Like the anvil part of anvil shears. The reverse, also has significantly more sideways ripping damage than the front. The top right of the shield was obliterated. Above the E was the major area of damage with another motion above the top left of M, thus 2 motions like the front shows. I really don't see how you can disregard the damage that occurred. To be blunt, You are simply disregarding damage to the extent that you think it should have suffered without knowing what caused the damage and how. It was some pressing, cutting motion that was from the edge that flattened/ damaged /elongated the rim and continued on in to the coin.
@Larry Squires by the way, it's best to always start your own threads for questions. More than likely ppl will respond to the FIRST post question, and not another completely different question later on in the thread.
Found this 2017 D penny ..... never seen one like this. any suggestions I would love to hear about them