Thought to be Damaged Coin turned to Cool Find...

Hello, I just purchased a lot from my friend. During screening for dates. I found this coin and at first, it was noticeable as damaged coin but when I turn to back of the coin. I realized it wasn’t damaged coin except a foreign metal stuck in planchet and the silver metal has partial cover both sides. I just want to share what I found.

 

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Your images were taken at a slight angle to the coin making the spot on the obverse appear to be further from the edge than the spot on the reverse. Can you retake the photos from directly overhead?

Chris

 

Sure, here’s other snapshot and yes, the foreign aren’t in same spot from front and back. The foreign material may be rectangle instead of circle.

 

It looks to me like something that was driven through the coin. If a planchet had something like that in it when it was struck, I wouldn't expect to see the displaced metal around it -- it would have been struck with the design from the die.

It's good to see you posting again -- welcome back!

 

Thank you, I have been busy with comic books marketing and cointalk always in my mind whenever I can stop by.

Right, it should have image struck on foreign or foreign may be strong metal that can’t be shaped like other metals? What make it a unique coin is front showed like something punched from back of the coin, but back of the coin doesn’t show cave in as punched toward front area. I can’t find my micro-camera to take picture of “Dome” on both sides.

 

I don't see how this could have been caused by the Mint. There appears to be raised areas around both anomalies that have been worn down slightly while in circulation, but are still indicative of metal displacement. I'm leaning toward PMD.

Thanks for posting the additional photos.

Chris

 

I looked for that as well. But if the coin was sitting on something hard as it was pierced, it might not be distorted that way. Maybe I'll experiment with some small nails and some Zincolns. (Actually, for Zincolns, maybe wooden stakes...)

 

square object ? .. as in a nail/tack head? Those aren't all round you know.

In another thread someone has squarish holes in a coin and I showed the end of a common nail, which has a squarish tip. My kids have tried nailing tacks/nails into coins for artsy stuff. I taught them just to use a drill.

 

Both of those attempted holes are damage.

They were punched into the coin well after
it was in circulation.

It is not an error coin of any kind, I'm sorry to say.

 

Thanks, @jeffB, for my first real laugh of the day; now I can shave and get ready for the dentist.

Steve

 

Thank you for the input. The weird possible is someone may soldering the back area to cover the foreign material to create “a true error”? I will need to find my micro-camera to check the depth surround the back of the coin. Whenever I find my micro-camera, I will add new pictures.

 

No offense, but that will be a waste of your time.

It's not a Mint Error, and it's not a possible 'true error'

 

Fred, I don't ever recall a time when more pictures changed the outcome. Do you?

Chris

 

Not for coins like that - but I just know there
has to be one time when someone's blurry
photos must have turned out to be a doubled die!

 

Oops! I should have included the words, "for a coin like this."

Chris

 

Fred. Do you ever grade coins. Was wondering what your take on Typecoins murcury 42D dime. Was graded 65. The pros got it right. What you say. Think was yesterday

 

The force of the dies would have flattened out the raised mound of silver hugging that object. I'm talking about dozens of tons of pressure here.

Dies have absolutely crushed, flattened, and bonded foreign objects like steel screws and metal springs directly into coins. For example, this 1967 cent.



The small object in your coin is no match for the crushing blow of a die strike. There is no way yours is a genuine piece that left the ejection chamber like that.

~Joe Cronin

 

I do, but only from a possible to an unlikely error or flat out impossible.

 

I don't think people understand the pressure the planchets go under to move the metal into the dies. Thus why dies wear out so quickly. Cent obverse dies I think last for maybe one 8 hour day with severe die deterioration during that period.

 

So, if one press can produce 720 coins per minute, that means they get around 350,000 cents out of one die?