XF or EF?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Phoenix21, Apr 20, 2008.

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Which do you use for the term "Extra Fine?"

  1. EF

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  2. XF

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  3. Both

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  1. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    Thought of this, and was wondering, which one do you use for the term Extra Fine? EF or XF? I normally use XF, but sometimes use EF, depends sometimes for me I guess.

    Phoenix :cool:
     
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  3. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    According to the ANA Grading Standards, the term is Extremely Fine, not Extra Fine, and is abbreviated EF.
     
  4. rotobeast

    rotobeast Old Newbie

    Either is fine with me.
     
  5. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    Ooops, my mistake. I've seen it both ways, and just assumed they were the same thing. So technically the correct term is EF?

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  6. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Yes, according to the ANA Grading Standards. But, like you, I find myself using both EF and XF.
     
  7. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    XF baby, all day long, lol, it rolls off the tongue ( yeah yeah, heh heh (Beavis) )
     
  8. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    For what it is worth, PCGDS, NGC, and Heritage use XF while ANACS and ICG use EF.
     
  9. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    either one is Extremely Fine with me.... ROFL.... I kill me!!!!
     
  10. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    I've always said, "EF for 40 and XF for 45..."

    Take Care
    Ben
     
  11. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    That should be with Phoenix's jokes in the general forum.
     
  12. clembo

    clembo A closed mind is no mind

    When I'm carding up my VG coins for Ebay I go with XF. ;)

    Seriously, either works but I always find myself saying or writing XF.
     
  13. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

  14. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Either one is good... AzJack is right - XF rolls of the tongue, but ANA Standards shoudl rule.

    Printed word - EF.

    Spoken word - XF.
     
  15. NPCoin

    NPCoin Resident Imbecile

    Key phrase: "According to the ANA Grading Standards" ;)

    There are a number of "standards" that have been used over the years. Not even the TPGs firmly follow the ANA "official standards". It's at a point with the ANA now that they do not even publish them as an official "standard", but as simply a "guideline", which is completely different.

    Yeoman is considered by many to be more than just a little well versed in the market and grading. There are many who even utilize the Red Book as a grading guide, much as those who utilize the ANA "Standard" as a guide.

    But "extra fine" is very much a true and valid term for E(x)F or XF. As far back as pre-dating the ANA "Standard" by two decades, Yeoman's Blue book defines the grading terminology as "Extra (or Extremely) Fine". Pre-dating the ANA "Standard" by over a decade, the Brown and Dunn grading guide attributed the grade of Extremely Fine with "XF". Within a decade after the introduction of the ANA "Standard", the use of the term Extremely Fine along with the notation "ExF" or "EF" became a standard in the varied grading guides.

    Personally, I believe the "standardization" of "EF" was possible because the ANA published its grading as an industry standard rather than simply guidelines. With the advent of a plethora of grading standards ala the TPGs, et al., "EF" may very well soon become just as much equivalent to what we determine today as a VF or AU. Without a common standard, or at least the publication and dissemination of standards used by the various TPGs and sellers, it doesn't matter if we use EF, XF, or even EF*, it'll mean something completely different depending on who you are dealing with.

    Anyway...now that I've had my joyride and returned the thread...
    ...I use both XF and EF freely.
     
  16. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Yeoman is inconsistent in his use of these terms. In my Fourth Edition (1955) Blue Book he uses the term "Extra (or Extremely) Fine", which seems to indicate a preference for "Extra Fine". In my 1959 Red Book he uses the term "Ex. Fine or Extremely Fine" with no mention of the word "Extra". (The First Edition Red Book does not mention grading standards and only includes prices for coins in Good, Fine, Unc. and Proof.)

    The 1977 Official ANA Grading Standards for US Coins uses the term "Extremely Fine" and the abbreviation EF.

    In his article What to Collect in the March 1948 issue of The Numismatist Stuart Mosher (Editor of The Numismatist at the time) uses the term EXTREMELY FINE (EX. F.).

    I'll see if I can find my old Photograde and Brown & Dunn and see what terms they use.

    EDIT

    My 1972 Photograde uses the term "EXTREMELY FINE (EF or sometimes XF)".
     
  17. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    OUCH! :D :thumb:

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  18. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    LOL, I love it Clembo !!
     
  19. Indianhead65

    Indianhead65 Well-Known Member

    I go with either one. I guess its more like a personal preference thing.
     
  20. mralexanderb

    mralexanderb Coin Collector

    I use either one. Lately I've been writing EF on 2x2s and I voted that way. I think both XF and EF are fully ingrained in the hobby's vernacular and will be used interchangeably.

    Bruce
     
  21. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    I found my Brown & Dunn (A Guide To The Grading Of United States Coins Fourth Edition - 1964). They use the term EXTREMELY FINE and the abbreviation 'XF'.
     
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