Is this a doubled die? Appears to be. 1958(p) cent

??? 1958(p) cent. It's not in the greatsest condition for any really worthwhile photos from my chunk o' crap device. Sorry, anf i apologize fory fingers today as well. The die scratches on Pluribus all match up with what's on the Variety Vista site but idk if that means anything, instead of their usual sectional breakdown of a coin they've simply shown two pics for that variety, OBVERSE and REVERSE.

 

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I don't see any doubling.

Chris

 

Same here.

 

Based on your photos - No.

 

I know, wish I could do better. Here's what I see though, I know they aren't great but I'll try and show the more visible marks you guys should be able to pick out, without the coin though it may be pointless. I guess I'm probably just trying to confirm this for my own satisfaction anyway, and I'm probably forgetting one big factor that shoots down all my analysis. Oh well, came this far so I'll finish the post. Thanks everyone that took time to look at the thread.
- die scratches on collar and neck
2 die scratches from top of Y in LIBERTY n.e. to back of head.
- die scratches from under front of jacket to rim
- scratches from front of bust through date
- thick vertical scratch on throat from top of bowtie to beard
- horizontal scratches along front of bust.
Thanks again people. Maybe bigger coins and features until I upgrade photography gear. ¡.Ha.!

 

Walter maybe I missed where you gave us the reference. I don't think I did
Just because the coin has die cracks. Or a die polishing does not mean that it is a variety.

 

just look at the LIBERTY of the website coin you show, versus your coin which has more circulation wear and damage. Just looking at LIBERTY, I don't even see anywhere near the same coin.

You are trying to convince yourself it's something that it is not.

 

Thanks claw made me go and look.
I had thought there were two. There is but number2 is unassigned.

This no where near a DDO-001.
Or better yet here is the reference.
It is self explanatory.
http://www.varietyvista.com/01a LC Doubled Dies Vol 1/1958PDDO001.htm

 

I see that now, thickness in all the letters as well

 

It was one that went at auction, pcgs site I believe. But looking at the lettering I see it's likely not the candidate. What i don't understand is how so many identical die scratches and gouges and such can be postitioned on soamy of the same spots on more that one die.

 

Thanks, here's the photo I was checking against.

 

All dies get polished and refurbished as they start wearing out.
Dies of the same year and same style .
All have weaknesses and die cracks tend to happen in the same areas.
The markers have to be exact, doubling exact. There is no half way. It's all or nothing.

 

they use up to 2,000 and more obverse dies per year, per machine, of which they can have what ... 8 machines +/- per mint running in parallel to make cents in that time frame?. So .. think about that and how exact a match you have to have. That excludes die maintenance which creates all the additional varieties.

 

This cent is in the era of double squeeze where many working dies ( making thousands of cents ) were all made from the same hubbing die, but if only once was there misalignment in the hubbing that produced a doubled die, but since all of the other working dies made many , many more cents with no misalignment ( no Doubled die), but they may have the same markers.

So always find the true doubling first ,and then confirm with the markers, not the other way. Jim

 

there isn't "thickness" in the letters.
There should be two distinct slightly offset doubling of the letters in IGWT and LIBERTY. The die slightly rotated for a second impression, thus caused a second, offset impression.

Your letters are just probably smooshed from circulation.
Look at your "IN" .. see how it is just damaged from circulation smooshing damage .. CSD lol

If you learn more about the different Classes of Doubling, and then correlate a list of the major doublings, you'll have a great list to double check your coins off of. And you'll learn a lot in the process.

 

I said thickness because at the state of heavy circulation it's in the doubling isn't apparent and makes the letter look wider. A little play with angle and exposure and you can see what was happening at an earlier point in time. Thank for the info though man. It is definitely appreciated. And thanks for explaining as well and giving reference points I can scope out, you're definitely more helpful than others. I don't ever use photo editing cause it isn't showing the true image and my photos suck bad enough, I figured here it could show what I was talking about but you probably won't see me use that again

 

Actually the above photos describe what Die deterioration looks like.
I challenge you to start looking at die states so that you learn what is early =EDS, EMDS, MDS, MLDS, and finally what a LDS looks like. This will help you in furthering your knowledge.
Think Proof surfaces and then think of flow lines the cupping of the rim area. Strikes that do not look sharp and then deformation of the devices. This is a process that is used when determining what kind of doubling do I have.

 

I accept the challenge, definitely over due. Thanks again! I do have some idea of die stage appearance but far too little, I'm on it! Appreciate it !

 

I accept the challenge, definitely over due. Thanks again!

 

My internet is lagging, never seen it do that before. Only hit the edit key one time . Oh well, worse things have been posted unintentionally.