1941 Lincoln with a slanted 1

We have seen dozens of them - something hit or scraped the "1"

We have seen dozens of them - something hit or scraped (pushed) the "1".
You can see where the 1 used to be positioned if not too worn by tilting the coin and shedding light into the area.

 

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Look at these pictures, again. If you're implying this '41 might be some strange "variety," explain why the '81 and '70 aren't the same, exact variety? I have more, too...many more. My latest-date example, IIRC, is an '88. Same angle/alignment, on the last digit. These cents got hit, IMHO. The jury may still be out on precisely what, though...

 

ASs I stated earlier, this is caused by the machine that crimps the end of the rolls. Since they all would be crimped the same way the "finger" on the machine would always hit in approximately the same area of the coin, just a little in from the rim. Since the date is the same location on all cents and the finger hits the same way it would make sense that would have similar damage on coins of different years.

Richard

 

Whoa, the light bulb went on! You're talking about when they put these cents into the rolls. OK, now I have the way to describe these, finally. Richard, where were you a year ago or so, when I posted pictures of my '88? Everybody told me, then, it was a counting machine hit. I'm glad I participated in this thread...now I know!

 

1941 Lincoln with slanted 1

I know without having the actual coin in hand or a really, really good photo that can be zoomed in on, it is difficult to see the differences. On the photo supplied by texmech, the 1 in question doesn't appear distorted at all (looks uniform in length and width top to bottom and doesn't appear to be cut off). Looking at my penny, it also doesn't appear distorted top to bottom or side to side. Looking at eddiespin's photos, the 1 in 1941 appears pinched (from about the middle to the bottom) like it was hit with something and twisted. The 1 in 1981 and the bottom photos have obviously beem slammed with something which flattened and smashed them. I have no idea how this could be proven except with extreme magnification and using some type of micrometer to actually take measurements.

 

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Is the penny in eddiespin's 2nd photo a 1981 or a 1984? I also took a look at the 1941 which was offered for $9.99 on ebay (never sold). It looks like that penny was smashed in some type of press or something which did appear to obliterate part of the rim and did distort the 1.

 

As there is nothing in the minting process that I can see possibly creating this error and the above mentioned reasons easily explain it I wouild reason that in your case it merely pushed the one over a little more smoothly than in other cases. When it initially happened it was probably quite obvious but with age and toning the evidence other than the moved one has been hidden

Richard

 

Agreed--learning separates mere opinion from knowledge, which not only saves collectors from trouble, but focuses us on the real die varieties. :smile

The first time I found one of these, I thought I had something special too. Of course, now I know there are no confirmed overdates for Lincoln cents--the dates were present on the hub when the dies were made.

 

1841 slanted 1

I have the EXACT same coin and have compared it to what looks like a twin image of it listed on eBay a while back. I cannot see the damage (uplifting or folding) of metal that would have happened if the "1" were pushed to the side. The slanted "1" on every one of the pics I have seen sure looks uniform to my untrained eye.

There are millions of 1941 cents out there and evidently enough of these to raise a few questions. If it were the hook on the wrapping machine where are the 1931's, 21's, 51's, etc.

Just a thought

 

Did counting machines or machines that roll over the ends exist when I found mine in 1956 to 1959? The 1 on mine touches the horizontal line on the 4 exactly like those pictured. If it is post mint damage, it is hard to believe the damage so identical happened so many times without also other types of damage. I remember seeing this listed as a variety in a coin book soon after I found it.
Ken

 

Did counting machines or machines that roll over the ends exist when I found mine in 1956 to 1959? The 1 on mine touches the horizontal line on the 4 exactly like those pictured. If it is post mint damage, it is hard to believe the damage so identical happened so many times without also other types of damage. I remember seeing this listed as a variety in a coin book soon after I found it.
Ken

 

Did counting machines or machines that roll over the ends exist when I found mine in 1956 to 1959? The 1 on mine touches the horizontal line on the 4 exactly like those pictured. If it is post mint damage, it is hard to believe the damage so identical happened so many times without also other types of damage. I remember seeing this listed as a variety in a coin book soon after I found it.
Ken

 

Did counting machines or machines that roll over the ends exist when I found mine in 1956 to 1959? The 1 on mine touches the horizontal line on the 4 exactly like those pictured. If it is post mint damage, it is hard to believe the damage so identical happened so many times without also other types of damage. I remember seeing this listed as a variety in a coin book soon after I found it.
Ken

 

Did counting machines or machines that roll over the ends exist when I found mine in 1956 to 1959? The 1 on mine touches the horizontal line on the 4 exactly like those pictured. If it is post mint damage, it is hard to believe the damage so identical happened so many times without also other types of damage. I remember seeing this listed as a variety in a coin book soon after I found it.
Ken

 

Did counting machines or machines that roll over the ends exist when I found mine in 1956 to 1959? The 1 on mine touches the horizontal line on the 4 exactly like those pictured. If it is post mint damage, it is hard to believe the damage so identical happened so many times without also other types of damage. I remember seeing this listed as a variety in a coin book soon after I found it.
Ken

 

I also have a 41 that looks like that.I am in ky and this wheat cent has been put away since the mid 70's.

 

Yes.

 

I looked in an old book I have called MAJOR VARIETY AND ODDITY GUIDE TO UNITED STATES COINS 8th Edition printed in 1981 and it presented this type of "oddity" - IMO it is just PMD - Post Mint Damage or an oddity as they called it the back in the 80's Read the description of the 1911 Cent with an asterisk *

 

Travis, it's funny, that's the same with my 41, I had it for that long, too. I don't know why I kept it, I didn't even know what it was, but I couldn't let it go.

 

I found mine in the early 70’s. Starting to see a pattern with the 194/ pennies . Should I have it graded?