1914-D...real? Or Not?

and again, I can see the mm shape on yours a mile away.....thats what it should look like

 

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rlm,

I have taken your 1914D and cut out the date and created a comparison of it and the one I posted earlier. There does seem to be some date differences that are apparent.

The first "1' in the date appears longer in the e-bay auction. The "4" in the aution has a break in the top of of it. As has been mentioned before the counter-clockwise rotation of the "D" mint mark.

 

Stryker or Rlm, I'm on my laptop with no pic tools.....find a 15 or 16-D and post a mm macro, they are the same punch, and only 1 punch was used. Compare shapes as position is not a tool, the dies were hand punched and unlike the SVDB, there were more than I can count or remember......shape, shape , shape

 

I have a very sophisticated tool that says they (both leading "1"'s) are the same height. It is called a ruler.

 

Why get a different date. Here is another 14-D and the original with some enhancement. Just remember that the ebay coin is corroded. Shapes can change somewhat.

 

The "D" in Jack's coin looks like it was once an "O" from a Morgan dollar, with the long, narrow elipse in the center and fat west/east horizontiles. A proper Lincoln "D"'s center should look like a half circle.

Besides that, it's just a plain ugly piece, even if it is somehow real.
Guy~

 

The Ebay 1914 D I think might be fake, the others that AZjack shows are fake.

 

Whether the coin was real or fake, eBay pulled it.

 

1914-d......

i'd never ever consider such a coin unless it was slabbed.

 

One supposed good indication of a real 1914-D is that there is a die crack connecting the bust to the rim (at about 5:00). I went back to my pictures and there is (was?) a die crack. It looks identical to the one listed in my book. I now really believe that the coin was authentic.

 

I hate to say it. But I agree with that. Coins like that, ya sorta wonna have it slabbed anyhow.

 

WOW! I am learning more every day.

It was suggested that the auction coin was a “spark erosion” counterfeit. I found “GoldCoinLover’s post, “Notes from authentication, conservation, grading class”. In that post he states,

“The vast majority of spark erosion counterfeits are copper.”

Then I found this on the PCGS website.

http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article1796.chtml

• In the spark-erosion process, a model coin (usually genuine) is submersed in an electrolytic bath where the coin faces the counterfeiter's die steel. An electrical current is charged through the coin so that a spark jumps across the shortest gap between the coin and the die, thus etching the coin's design onto the steel die.
  
• After both the obverse and reverse have undergone the electrical current process, the dies are highly polished. This is necessary because once the dies have been etched, they remain somewhat pitted. The polishing generally will clean up the fields, but often the design will retain the pitting, since counterfeiters tend not to polish the main devices. Either they are unable to get down into the design, or for time's sake they choose to leave the design elements alone. In either case, these counterfeits are easy to detect, since their surfaces are glassy smooth-resembling a Proof finish-yet their devices are lumpy (remember, the pitting on the dies becomes raised lumps on the finished product). Because the excessive polishing makes the dies sharp, these counterfeits appear to be extremely well-struck, with knifelike edges and rims.
  
• These counterfeits usually are found on small-type coins such as cents and dimes, and on small-sized patterns such as those for Flying Eagle cents and dimes. PCGS has not encountered them on gold coins

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I see now that the coin on e-Bay has been removed for whatever reason. I do believe that this coin is highly questionable. Was it e-Bay who pulled the auction or the seller? Most likely e-Bay by the way it is reported removed. I just wonder what e-Bay told the seller about the coin if they pulled it. If e-Bay told the seller it was counterfeit, I wonder who made the final determination that it was?

I am now wondering about some of the recent cent coins I purchased on e-Bay. I have been buying a few cents for birthday presents that are 100 years older than the date of birth of the people I’ve been getting them for. I even bought a couple for me. Will look at them more closely later.

Great place for LEARNING here.

 

The spark erosion process is also used in machine shop under a different name, EDM, or Electronic Discharge Machining, I do it everyday, and the amount of accuracy and detail is improving quickly.

Pick up your Bic lighter, your CD jewel case, almost anything that is plastic injection molded has been EDM'd.