Where to find an image of 1970 D half dollar DDR#5

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Walter Marx, Jun 17, 2019.

  1. Walter Marx

    Walter Marx Active Member

    Aside from Variety Vista does anyone know of sight with decent photos of Kennedy half dollar varieties? Even just a description in text would be helpful . The V.V. sight lists 8 or 9 DDR varieties for 1970 D half dollars but has no photos or written description for DDR 5 . I have a beautiful 1970 D Kennedy which by process of elimination one would determine to be DDR #5 . The coin shows light doubling in U.S.A. with some die deteriation doubling (ddd) on leaves of branch some letters and light to medium doubling on "half dollar", with a stronger spread being on the F of Half and DO of dollar and more ddd more apparent on the A of "dollar" Screenshot_20190617-221203.png Screenshot_20190617-222534.png Screenshot_20190617-221556.png Screenshot_20190617-222055.png Screenshot_20190617-221705.png Screenshot_20190617-222423.png The obverse shows doubling as well although it all appears to be from die deteriation, some scattered faint clash here and there as well on obverse. Im pretty sure it is not the flared G variety of the artist initials but I could be wrong, I could be wrong all together but the doubling seems to be that of a doubled die although if I'm right there is certainly some ddd or md as well in spots IMG_20190617_201956.jpg IMG_20190617_202013.jpg Here's a few pictures. Any help one may have would be greatly appreciated, thanks. IMG_20190617_204723.jpg
     

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  3. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    I understand you arrived at the conclusion that you have 1970 D Kennedy half DDR-005 by the elimination process. Just curious as to how you arrived at that conclusion as there's no written info or photos of it. If you truly think you have a DDR perhaps you can contact Variety Vista or John Wexler and provide photos to them so you can get the recognition as the person that discovered it. Here's photos of the other known DDRs: http://varietyvista.com/12 Kennedy Halves/DDRs 1970-D.htm
    We do have some error coin experts on Coin Talk. Maybe they can help you out.
     
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  4. atrox001

    atrox001 Senior Member

    James Wiles has completed the 70D DDR’s for his Kennedy Half Dollar E-Book on Variety Vista. If you use the CONECA Master Listings and the photos in the E-Book you should be able to attribute your 70D DDR. I think you have the 70D DDR-009, Stage A, before the big clash. The listed marker for the DDR-009, Stage A is a die scratch lower E of AMERICA through the star under it. I can see it (very light) in your reverse photo…you have the half in hand and should be able to see it at different angles. An unlisted marker is a small die gouge to the right near the bottom of the last S in STATES that I can see in your reverse photo, the DDR-009 in my collection, and James Wiles photo.

    Larry Nienaber
     
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  5. Walter Marx

    Walter Marx Active Member

    Thanks very much, I'm just reading your response and I've got the coin here and am about to check. I'll definitely be looking at the site you mentioned as well. But I will let you know what I see and keep you posted as to what I determine. Your assistance is greatly appreciated and again, thank you kindly.
     
  6. Walter Marx

    Walter Marx Active Member

    I never claimed to have came to any conclusions and I'm not simple enough to use the process of elimination for deciding on a coin's identity. I meerly stated "by process of elimination one would determine to be DDR #5 ." Following my asking for information on the coin in question. I've been doing this long enough to not proclaim a coun to be on variety/error or another. I see plenty of people do that daily only to end up in arguments , I do appreciate the link you've shared and taking the time to assist me , thank you !
     
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  7. Walter Marx

    Walter Marx Active Member

    It seems that Variety Vista hasn't found time in the 24 hours since I last checked to find and add a description for DDR5. You must have missed that part as well, the post began with me stating
    V.V. had nothing about #5 , no worries though , thanks for taking the time to try to be helpful. It is appreciated. Screenshot_20190618-163942.png
     
  8. Walter Marx

    Walter Marx Active Member

    I've got to say, you have a very keen eye to see those features from the pictures I posted , and I apologise for not having better equipment on hand. But I do see both indicators you've mention , I'll try for some pictures worth posting. Again, thanks for your help, I'll be sure to do a better job of checking my source next time. Of course I can't really be certain or confidently proclaim this coin to be any listed or unlisted DDR so I will refrain for making that claim , it looks like my next step is sending it to be graded, would you consider that a wise decision if my plan is to find a buyer? Thoughts on condition and if worth grading at all?
     
  9. Walter Marx

    Walter Marx Active Member

    And here is probably the best I'll get with what I'm working with for photos. Definitely a match on the scratch at the E. The darker image here Screenshot_20190618-171218.png I had to play with the light saturation and exposure to make it pop out better, not a fan of having to do that but it does help visibility in this case. Screenshot_20190618-171402.png
     

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  10. Tim C

    Tim C Active Member

    You will notice from the picture of Variety Vista that you posted, DDR-005 for the 1970-D Kennedy half dollar is unassigned (there is no such critter). There was a DDR-005 listed at one time but Larry Nienaber (atrox001 on this message board) proved that the coin listed as the DDR-005 was just a stage of the DDR-002 so the variety was delisted from the CONCA files and a replacement variety has yet to be discovered.


    Hope this helps.

    Tim
     
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  11. Walter Marx

    Walter Marx Active Member

    Thank you Tim, I was confused and after some research I finally realized what the situation was regarding the #5. I was taking it to mean there were no examples to be shown when in fact the coin in question was taken from the DDR variety listings, I apologise for my confusion and any further inconvenience my ignorance may have brought about.
     
  12. Tim C

    Tim C Active Member


    No problem.

    I think James Wiles is the one making this confused. Dr. Wiles could keep this issue cleaned up by instead on just saying “unassigned” for the DDR-005, he could be more forthright by saying, “has been determined to be a die stage of DDR-002 and is now unlisted until a new variety is recognized.”
     
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