Does anyone know if the Mexico 50 peso pieces of 1921-1931 actually circulated? They were over 20% heavier than a 100 Kroner.
I don't speak for @Williammm but I took it to mean what coin had the highest numerical value on the coin. In this regard, I think it would have to be one of the German inflationary coins for the older ones, and the Japanese 500 yen for the modern one.
With those Westphalian pieces you can have even higher denominations. But they did not actually circulate. Christian
For the highest denomination coin surely the 5000 cash issued by Wang Mang in 7AD would have to be close to the mark. It is a true coin but in the shape of a knife and had the inscription inserted in gold.
They were used for fundraising purposes according to the Jaeger catalog and other sources. People could buy them and thus support various welfare purposes. In 1923 the profits also supported the fight against the Belgian-French occupation of the Ruhr area. The pieces issued in late '23 were actually made "for" circulation, but by the time they came out, the inflation was over. Thus many of them were donated to schools in the area. The big 1 Billion (US: 1 trillion) piece came out in 1924 and was sold, as a fundraiser or souvenir, at a price of 2.50 RM. Christian
Right, been there done that. When it comes to German coins issued by the national government, the 500 Mark (early 1923) was the highest denomination piece. But that became worthless pretty fast, and "paper" (plus local notgeld) was used instead. Don't know what the "biggest amount" on a notgeld coin from those years was. In terms of paper money, there was a local 100 Billionen (US: 100 trillion) Mark here in Düsseldorf that actually circulated. Now with paper money, that can easily be topped by Zimbabwe for example, but coins are usually made to last for some time. So it would make sense, for the purpose of this topic, to leave (hyper-)inflation money aside ... Christian
Thank you. I realized they were struck very late in the hyperinflation but did not know they ended up as fundraiser tokens. They are the most attractive Notgeld of the period.
Yeah they had more gold in them but they were not coins struck for circulation. They were actually commemoratives, struck in honor of the 100th anniversary of Mexico's independence.
That's exactly the kind of thing I was talking about when I said it was a complicated question. For when inflation in one specific country is taken into account, or when exchange rates are taken into account, well then the denomination on the actual coin loses any and all meaning when it comes to value - which is what denomination is all about to begin with.
I wondered about some of the ancient Asian coins but I know nothing about them other than that they existed. For example, I have no idea if they were actually intended for use in circulation or if they were mere coins of account. Nor do I have any idea of their value when it came to exchange rates. And yes, exchange rates existed even back then, in fact long before then, exchange rates have been around for as long as coins have. Perhaps you know these things but I certainly do not. If ya do I'd love to hear about it. An interesting tidbit to be mentioned in passing, I am aware that China had the world's first documented bank notes. In 118 B.C. they had 40,000 cash bank notes printed on white deerskin. But even they were money of account and never intended for use in actual circulation.
What with the page change and all I almost forgot to respond Jeff. Truth be told there was a whole lot more than editing implies. In point of fact I rewrote every chapter of the book numerous times, and even that doesn't explain everything I did. But it's a long and very complicated story, one that doesn't need to be gone into here, as that is not the subject of this thread, merely a tangent. Nor do I wish to to take anything away from Darek, far from it in fact. He absolutely deserves the lion's share of the credit which is why his name appears as the author, while my name is listed - As Edited By. Darek explains all of this himself in the book.
Doug, I've been making teasing comments on the assumption that everyone reading this thread already knew the contributions you've made to the study of ducats. It occurs to me that that may not be true, and for that, I apologize. Everyone should know that you are a recognized expert, and have made significant contributions to Darek's comprehensive reference. We now return to -jeffB's normal snarkiness.
Let me re-phrase (should I start my own thread?) For coins that have a number represented on the coin, no matter what language or system, what is the largest number that has ever been on a coin.
No need that I know of. I was trying to point myself that there is more than one way to interpret the question - and your way is definitely one of them
Jeff I didn't take any of your comments to be snarky at all, in fact I was quite flattered long before your most recent comment. But in all fairness, I'm not an expert in anything to do with coins, not even ducats. Sure, I know far more than the average person does about them, more than most people in fact. But an expert ? Nahhh, Darek's the expert buddy. I spent years teaching him everything I could and he went on to learn a whole lot more than that ! Sure I helped with advice and ideas along the way, but he's the one that did it. And he is today acknowledged as the world's leading authority on Netherlands gold ducats. Me, I stand humbled compared to his knowledge of them.