Featured FS-901 DDR 1899 Barber Quarter . . . Fake?

Hopefully they will go beyond a determination of authenticity of this specific coin. IF the OP's coin emulates an authentic FS-901 - then I have concerns of the authenticity of the variety itself. The spread of the doubling on the OP's coin does not appear to be geometrically correct.

 

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The coin hasn't sold. L&C is in contact with PCGS which is reviewing the piece. Information is per the seller.

 

Michael K, posted: "Well it is Numismatic news. And if it comes back fake,
there is an obligation to transparency and the integrity of the hobby.
Plus, it's a very interesting story."

PLEASE...

Have you EVER read a story in a hobby publication pointing out an authentication error made by ANY TPGS - including the "fly-by-nights." I'll answer for you:

NO, NEVER!

 

Shhh! Nothing to see here...dont want to get the investors spooked...

 

They have no obligation to protect the TPGs from their mistakes.
Their obligation is to their readers.
If they omit something out of loyalty, or if they think it is bad for the hobby
they are dropping the ball and they have no integrity.

 

It would not necessarily be a bad thing for the TPG if the report talked about how they dealt with the bad coin and the steps taken to make things whole. You could instill a lot of confidence from seeing it done with class.

 

This is a great thread, however, it also scares the crap out of me that some of MY coins might be fake! Not that I own any of the $15k variety, but I do have a half cent that is pretty rare in terms of known examples. Hesitate to do this, no reason to think its fake, but what do you guys think? I bought it raw...sorry for my lack of photographic skill.

 

It looks like a very common variety in a very common grade. I see nothing to make me think it is fake.

Here is an article I wrote on the modern Chinese fakes. You may find it helpful.

http://brna.org/2019/05/28/modern-chinese-counterfeits-of-united-states-coins/

 

THANK YOU!!!!

 

Yes, genuine and C-13 an R-1 and the most common variety of 1804.

 

LOL. This is the real world not some lily-white snowflake Utopia. How much do you spend on advertising each month? Perhaps you should whine about the "way-things-ought-to-be" in a letter to the Editor.

This possible TPGS error is being discussed in the alternate press - right here now. Nothing is being covered up.

 

It would be a bad review. That's all. All companies get them, and they get bumped down the line over time. Honestly, like I stated early on in the thread, there's no reason for PCGS to hang their heads. Mistakes happen. I suppose they went off the info out there, like the CPG, and simply "missed" the counterfeit. I've missed about 7 counterfeits in the last 10 years. Granted, I'm not a professional, but it happens to us all. It's a human system.

 

That was an excellent article! Thanks for taking the time to write it. It made me realize just how inept I am at detecting counterfeits and how vulnerable I am. Scary too, the very first example you presented was the exact same date and denomination of the coin I posted! I never realized how prevalent this was, I figured coins below a certain value wouldn't be counterfeited. This buyer will even more beware in the future! Thanks again!

 

But there are some differences:
1. I've never seen you represent yourself as an expert grader or authenticator.
2. You aren't offering your opinions for hire.
3. The coin was a variety attribution submission meaning that it was scrutinized even more at least in part.
4. The coin isn't really that deceptive. I think it is pretty obvious.

I wonder if CAC would have caught it. Unfortunately PCGS was able to get to L & C before I was.

 

I have my doubts that they would have caught it. Remember they have zero authority to regrade examples. They simply say if it is a worthy candidate at the grade.

 

Shocking that now the trolling starts

 

Me too. I think it would have been a great lesson in why collectors should educate themselves rather than relying on others blindly to catch issues.

 

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Save your BS for another thread. A counterfeit coin, especially a fairly obvious one, finding its way into a major grading service slab is a big deal. It's not like it is a very deceptive one like some of the micro Morgans or high quality modern Trade Dollars (some of those are outright scary). It is absurd that three "professional" graders and a finalizer didn't catch this VERY obvious fake IMHO.

 

So who are the two of you again? You clearly seem to think you know better than CAC and JA and many others. So lets see your resumes and who you guys actually are already for why anyone should listen to these "opinions" to put it nicely