fake sellers getting creative... fake morgan in a littleton holder

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  1. Dalladalla80

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    Dalladalla80, May 25, 2019
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  3. GenX Enthusiast

    GenX Enthusiast Forensic grammatician

    Sold for 260$... yuck.
     
    GenX Enthusiast, May 25, 2019
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  4. Inspector43

    Inspector43 Celebrating 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    I don't think Jesse James used a 22 caliber. See the cartridges in the lower right corner?
     
    Inspector43, May 25, 2019
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  5. QuintupleSovereign

    QuintupleSovereign Well-Known Member

    What ticks me off is when i report fakes to Ebay and they fail to take them down, even when they're blatant. For example, I recently reported an 1867 Hong Kong dollar that mysteriously had Edward VII on the obverse. Seriously, Ebay?
     
    QuintupleSovereign, May 25, 2019
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  6. Howard Black

    Howard Black Active Member

    I gave up on reporting "issues" to ebay over a decade ago. In one example, I went back and forth with them over my having a "Powerseller" spamming the snot out of me. The !$%#$% at Ebay insisted they could find NOTHING to indicate ANY linkage between the spam and the seller -- even though the spam -- quoted below their denial -- contained his Ebay member ID and item listing links!

    I finally decided my blood pressure meant more to me than ethics meant to them -- and, that all fees considered, "Powersellers" were above the law. The rules did not apply to them (I was NEVER able to get ANY action taken against ANY powerseller, no matter how blatant the violation.)
     
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  7. Inspector43

    Inspector43 Celebrating 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    There are a few 'mom & pops' that I recognize and try to buy from when I want or need something. I avoid the power sellers too.
     
    Inspector43, May 25, 2019
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  8. Howard Black

    Howard Black Active Member

    I made the mistake of asking for information on a lens he had listed. It was like stepping into quicksand...
     
    Howard Black, May 26, 2019
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  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Just a question here, and I'm asking it of everybody not just you - who do you want to stop ? Do you want to stop the people making the fakes ? Do you want to stop the people selling the fakes ? Do you want to stop ebay allowing them to sell them ?

    Let's start with the first one, those making the fakes the actual counterfeiters. Stopping them I'm afraid can't be done. Coins have been counterfeited for as long as there have been coins. And nothing, and nobody has ever been able to stop them.

    Stop the people selling them ? Well, good luck with that too ! For just like those who make them the people selling them have also always been there those willing to buy coins from the counterfeiters at a discount and then pass them on to others. And there's nothing that anybody can do to ever stop them. And then there's the other problem, half or more of all the people selling them - they aren't even aware that the coins are fakes ! So it's pretty hard to stop somebody from doing wrong when they aren't even aware they are doing wrong.

    That leaves ebay - and that, that you can stop. And it's really quite easy, all ya have to do is quit using ebay. If everybody would stop buying coins on ebay, and I mean all coins, I can guarantee you that ebay would stop allowing them to be sold in very short order.

    What I'm trying to tell you guys is the old saying - we have met the enemy and he is us ! That's right, everybody who buys coins on ebay - that's where the true fault lies, that's who's to blame for it happening. Why ? Because you control the money. Everybody who buys coins on ebay are the ones funding it all. Ya see, without you, it can't even exist !

    Now that's not what anybody ever wants to hear, but it is the truth.
     
    GDJMSP, May 26, 2019
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  10. Inspector43

    Inspector43 Celebrating 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    The best way to stop this is to educate the collectors. This is hard to do because all too often new collectors get their start by watching infomercials about coins. They get hooked and then it is too late to change them. If you try they think it is just another scam. Coin collecting is not looked at as a hobby anymore. It is advertised as a get rich quick adventure. If you notice, the vast majority of new members have the same key question "how much is it worth?" That is the best time to get our message in. As seasoned collectors we need to make that move.
     
    Inspector43, May 26, 2019
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  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I've been making that move for, ehhh, 30 years now. And so have countless others. Yet the only thing that happens is it gets worse.

    So I gotta say no. If you want to stop it there's only one way to stop it - and that's to stop supporting it by giving them your money. The money is always the key - take away the money and everything will stop !
     
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  12. Inspector43

    Inspector43 Celebrating 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    I agree. But, I think most of the seasoned collectors don't give eBay as much support as they used to. I might be wrong on that. I buy very little on eBay. Perhaps something I need for a gift. And that would not be a very rare coin for "...$25.99 - only 5 left..." I can give up all ties to eBay in a joint effort to stop these scams.
     
    Inspector43, May 26, 2019
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  13. BuffaloHunter

    BuffaloHunter Short of a full herd Supporter

    Agreed. I quit using eBay altogether quite a few years ago. I have a few different online dealers that I am loyal to and the few coin shows that I hit up yearly.
     
    BuffaloHunter, May 26, 2019
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