Why are they included?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by washington, Mar 27, 2008.

  1. washington

    washington Member

    Why are error coins included in some albums.
    Examples:
    37 D three legged buffalo
    22 no D Lincoln
    55 D/D Lincoln
    just to name a few of the more common ones. I can see coins like the 42/1 Mercury being in there since the mint actually did that on purpose, but the above 3 are errors.
    Can anybody enlighten me on this.
    Mike
     
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  3. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Those are varieties, not errors.
     
  4. washington

    washington Member

    I thought the three legged and 22 D Lincoln came about because the die had a problem. The 55D/D got stamped twice instead of once. If they are varieties why don't they include all of the varieties for that series
     
  5. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    The '22 Lincoln dies were very worn. The '37-D nickel reverse die was harshly ground to remove clash marks. The '55 DD Lincoln obverse die was doubled; it received the proper number of impression BUT the last one was slightly rotated causing the doubling.

    The reason "they" don't include all varieties is that most varieties are obscure, minor or not very interesting.
     
  6. washington

    washington Member

    Thanks for clearing that up for me Hobo.
    Mike
     
  7. acanthite

    acanthite ALIIS DIVES

    One thing is for certain. If a variety gets its own hole in a Dansco album, the price to obtain that variety will go up.
     
  8. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Imagine what the Morgan and Peace Dollar albums would look like if they included every VAM.
     
  9. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    As with so many set in coin collecting, what you include or exclude is strictly up to you.
    But I agree, it's annoying to have that hole in your album that you may never fill for one reason or another.

    How about the 1895 Morgan?
    Not even a business strike (proof only.)
    But my Whitman album has a hole for it.
    It will remain empty.
     
  10. ziggy9

    ziggy9 *NEC SPERNO NEC TIMEO*

    I always thought it was funny the way that the cheap Whitman folders have holes perforated but the cardboard still in place for the ultra rare coins. If I had a coin with a pop of 1000 I'm not putting it in a cheap Whitman folder!

    Richard
     
  11. AgCollector

    AgCollector Senior Member

    Similarly, (though far cheaper), Ike albums have spots for 1973 and half dollar albums have spots for 1970-D yet they're only available in mint sets.

    Having a complete, regular issue run in an album doesn't bother me as much as the spots for die varieties, though- I wish there wouldn't be spots for the 1955/55, 1922 no D, etc...
     
  12. washington

    washington Member

    That's probably why there are coin 'copies' available. I'll never put one of those in and probably will never get the ultra rare ones either. I agree with ziggy9, if I did have a 55 D/D, it would never see my album.
    Mike
     
  13. grizz

    grizz numismatist

    it's annoying to have that hole in your album that you may never fill for one reason or another.




    i'm wondering if this is because of the manufacturer's decision, kanga?
    steve
     
  14. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The 1955 DDO isa variety, the other two are not. Nor are they errors, they are just the product of worn out dies that should have been retired. The proper term for thim is a die state, a very late die state.

    The mint did not do that on purpose, it is just another die variety. A different class of doubled die than the 1955
     
  15. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    Or, imagine a Bust Half album with all the Overton whatchamightcallits. :D ;)

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  16. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Actually it doesn't matter so much to me what they call them (although it should if I'm to consider myself a numismatist.)
    Whether I have those coins or not, none of them will be put in my albums.
    As expensive as they are and as often as they are counterfeited, I would have bought them slabbed and that's where they would stay.

    [BTW, I have all the ones mentioned in the original post.]
     
  17. jmc7983

    jmc7983 Senior Member

    I dont see why not? look, it is only 28,000 dollars :)
     
  18. Pocket Change

    Pocket Change Coin Collector

    No offense Richard! So I'll put that $1000 coin in a "pricey" $25 Dansco album????

    Unfortunately (or fortunately) I don't lose too much sleep over such problems!!! Maybe some day.
     
  19. washington

    washington Member

    I thought that a 42 mercury die was made using an older 41 die, to save money for the war effort and because many of the experienced employees at the mint went of to war.
     
  20. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Nope. Toward the end of the year the mint starts making a stockpile of dies for the coming year while they are still making dies for the current one. The dies required two or more hubbing to impress the design sufficiently into the die. Between hubbing the die is sent t be annealed or softened. When they come back from the annealing furnace they are not always hubbed again with the original hub. In the case of the 42/41 an error occured and it was first hubbed with one years hub, and then after annealing hubbed with the other years hub.
     
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