Does this dealer have a killer collection of toners? or are these artificially toned?

Saw this on a different forum, where a member raised a good question if this dealer either came into a killer collection of toners, or if he was selling Artificially toned pieces.

What are your guys thoughts? Links to the listings in question below...

This toned p$ first caught my eye
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_id=114&ipn=icep&toolid=20004&campid=5338461489&mpre=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1926-P-Peace-Dollar-1-GEM-BU-Silver-Coin-RAINBOW-TONED-BEAUTY-1583/223503327755?epid=170446093&hash=item3409d6220b:g:xxoAAOSwZcZczI9h

Then this Toned p$ that recently ended, with typical AT tell tale
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_id=114&ipn=icep&toolid=20004&campid=5338461489&mpre=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-P-Peace-Dollar-1-GEM-BU-Silver-Coin-STUNNING-TONED-BEAUTY-1566/223501250648?hash=item3409b67058:g:7gsAAOSwvC1cyg3q

Walking lib
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_id=114&ipn=icep&toolid=20004&campid=5338461489&mpre=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1945-S-Walking-Liberty-Half-Dollar-GEM-BU-Silver-Coin-RAINBOW-TONED-RARE-1608/223502000119?hash=item3409c1dff7:g:CZEAAOSwLdJcyyXv

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_id=114&ipn=icep&toolid=20004&campid=5338461489&mpre=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1936-P-Walking-Liberty-Half-Dollar-50C-GEM-BU-Silver-Coin-RAINBOW-TONED-1579/223501239557?hash=item3409b64505:g:Q5cAAOSwN6RcygoY

GEM 23s p$
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_id=114&ipn=icep&toolid=20004&campid=5338461489&mpre=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1923-S-Peace-Dollar-1-Superb-GEM-BU-Tough-DATE-Gorgeous-Rainbow-Toned-Coin-PL/223486334852?hash=item3408d2d784:g:M9YAAOSws7xct8QZ

Target toned Merc Dime
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_id=114&ipn=icep&toolid=20004&campid=5338461489&mpre=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1941-S-Mercury-Dime-10C-Superb-GEM-BU-Silver-Coin-Bullseye-RAINBOW-TONED-1190/223453481145?hash=item3406dd88b9:g:93sAAOSwqctckNZM

Blatant typical AT
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_id=114&ipn=icep&toolid=20004&campid=5338461489&mpre=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1942-S-Mercury-Dime-10C-GEM-BU-Silver-Coin-RARE-BEAUTY-RAINBOW-TONED-1331/223485045185?hash=item3408bf29c1:g:qrUAAOSwCrtctqPi

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_id=114&ipn=icep&toolid=20004&campid=5338461489&mpre=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-D-Washington-Quarter-25C-Superb-GEM-Silver-Coin-TYPE-C-RAINBOW-TONED-1332/223485042802?hash=item3408bf2072:g:YRIAAOSwlYNctqJV

 

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They are all AT looking to me.

 

Better living through chemistry

 

I think when toning was hot, people broke out their chemistry sets
to create rainbow toning. Sure these things can happen naturally,
but usually don't.

 

Interesting, yeah I never thought of it like that, always just assumed they blow torched it or baked it, wasn't aware of the chemical aspect of the situation

 

I just viewed the first two listings.........nobody got 'smoked' and frankly, I'm not all that sure that the pieces were AT............

 

I have seen old coin albums tone coins like that
That being said I have seen radically toned AT's get slabbed so …
I see all being possible exempt the purple Mercury

 

Looking at all their current listings and the stuff they've sold, no, I don't think they're manufacturing these. There are a few pieces that are questionable, but most aren't billed as "toned" at all, and of those that are toned, most look typical.

 

They scream AT to me. Welcome to CT.

 

Toning on silver coins is the result of varying thicknesses of silver sulfides and oxides on the surface. Heat promotes oxidation by sulfur and oxygen, so that’s why a blowtorch will cause color to appear on silver.

 

I have been a collector for 60 years. I have literally bought and millions of dollars worth of coins. I live quite well without “monster toners” for the most part. I like coins with their original surfaces and attractive toning, but I don’t need coins with “neon colors.” They are too expensive, often for common date pieces, and too often their origins are bottles of chemicals, fry pans, heat or a combination of those things.

 

I've noticed there's one dealer out there that is selling complete hand picked year sets ranging from the 30's on. What I find interesting is every single set and every single coin in those sets have unbelievable rainbow toning.

I call BS on their claim that these are all "beautiful natural toners" since they all have the exact same look to them over all the years they span.

They gave their hand away posting some 20+ sets all at the same time.

 

I think that they are a rare distribution of Zerbe toned coins, that were given to the various mint directors by Zerbe, himself. That is, after they were baked at 350 degrees for an hour.

 

I can't tell you whether they are AT or natural, but I can tell you that I purchased one merc from this dealer in an NGC MS66* holder, so NGC thought the merc was natural. I also crossed the coin into a PCGS holder, so both grading companies thought it was market acceptable. The TrueView is below.

My suspicion is that these coins are from a horde of coins that were intentionally placed in conditions (holder, temperature, etc) conducive to toning over the course of a few years. I will not opine on whether that constitutes AT (plenty of threads on this). However, in my opinion, the coins are definitely not the product of oven baking or other rudimentary AT techniques (i.e., involving chemicals or very high temps over short periods of times).

 

That sounds like edynamicmarketing on EBay. 99% of his coins are AT. The dealer occasionally includes some natural toners for sale to try to build credibility. I absolutely hate edynamicmarketing and don't understand how he (or she) has not been banned from EBay. He has also managed to pass some of this AT coins past PCGS, which really bothers me.

 

One thing you'll notice about ED marketing is that (most?)all his toners in TPG holders were not imaged by the TPG. I believe I read one thread maybe on CU? I don't recall but someone found an auction history of one of his slabbed toners that was not toned when previously sold. You do the math....

 

I'm stealing that one.

 

The slabs are not completely airtight, obviously. Certain fraudulent sellers on Fleabay, particularly one whose addy begins with “ED” have learned how to induce gas into the slab, so as to induce market unacceptable toning. The coins are already slabbed, so they have their grade. Some Sulphurous gas introduced into the slab provides “monster toner” results. Better living through chemistry, eh?

 

Would it be possible to combine these two theories into one:

1. ED buys untoned PCGS coin.
2. ED artificially tones coin.
3. ED sends coin back to PCGS for TrueView.
4. Voilà, AT coin with Trueview?

I hope this can't happen, but I half wonder if that's what is going on.

Incidentally, I think this seller uses a second account to sell more of their less questionably toned coins. This second account has a lot more TrueView coins, but still has some of the same "coin floating in front of the slab" style shots and is based in the same location as ED.