I wouldn't buy this one . . .

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by ToughCOINS, May 5, 2019.

  1. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

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  3. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    OK, I'm a dummy, share why.
     
  4. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I'll wait until others have looked it over and said their piece . . . and no, you're not a dummy. You at least want to know more.
     
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  5. CoinBlazer

    CoinBlazer Numismatic Enthusiast

    I think it may be a counterfeit.
     
  6. YoloBagels

    YoloBagels Well-Known Member

    Definitely counterfeit.

    -Surfaces are too grainy

    -Details are blurry

    -Date is misaligned, look at the second "8" in 1888

    -Reeding is completely wrong, looks to have some extra lines of metal on each ridge

    -The very edge is sharp if you look closely, this is a feature you would see on couterfeits or privately minted silver rounds

    Otherwise it's a much better counterfeit than others I've seen. It could easily trick someone who is new to the hobby/someone who didn't take the time to look closely.
     
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  7. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    Counterfeit
     
  8. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Pot metal crap from China.
     
  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Not my area of expertise but it looks strange to me.
     
  10. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Absolutely counterfeit date digits are totally wrong. Weak mushy denticles with missing area weak overall details rough surfaces and generally off looking. They did a good job on the color tho is the only thing that looks good about this coin
     
  11. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    This is a casting, as evident from the lack of sharp detail and the raised bumps here and there. The bumps are most easily seen left of the arrow shaft beneath the eagle. The date is sharper than the balance of the design because it was added after the coin was cast, as is so often done by the Chinese.

    In my opinion, the application of antique patina was expertly done.
     
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  12. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    That date ... LOL

    someone definitely hand stamped it on a counterfeit cast die used for multiple dates.
     
    Last edited: May 6, 2019
  13. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    Definitely a cast fake. Love how the date is the only thing that doesnt look cast.
     
  14. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I don’t believe it to be cast. Here is my fake to compare. I will pull it out shortly, but I believe this one was die-struck.

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  15. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    In-hand examination proves that my coin was die-struck. Here is the fake 1888 for comparison:

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  16. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    I’d really like to know just how they fabricated that patina...specifically if it could withstand acetone.
     
  17. charlottedude

    charlottedude Novice Collector

    One look is all it takes... FAAAAAAKKEEEE!
     
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  18. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Agreed. It’s the only convincing thing about the coin
     
  19. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    Although I am not familiar with this particular fake many contemporary counterfeits achieved realistic patina the same way real examples did...through age and use.
     
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  20. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Agreed
     
  21. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    After you have seen a number of Chinese counterfeits, you come to recognize this look. It's the type toning that appears on most of all their products. You most often see it on their fake Morgan Dollars which is their "bread and butter" product. These fakes do not contain any silver.

    Here is a "1795 half dollar" that is another of their fake products.

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