High eye appeal, low grade

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  1. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Here's one that I have that is low-grade but has (at least to me) relatively high eye appeal and it is a rare type to boot.

    Marcus Aurelius as Caesar under Antoninus Pius

    Type: AE Drachm, 33mm, 22.95 grams - Alexandria mint

    Obverse: Bare headed and draped bust of Aurelius right
    M AVPHLIOC KAICAP

    Reverse: Elpis Standing left holding flower and hitching skirt
    LEND EKATOV

    Reference: BMC 1238 listed as "rare" by R.A. Numismatics

    aurelius.jpg
     
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Those are both awesome but I really like that Trajan. I had one with a similar portrait, and the high relief was what struck me most about it.
     
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  4. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Here is my low grade but high eye appeal (to me) Trajan denarius. I think the portrait is pretty good :)
    Trajan Denarius, 114-117 AD.jpg
     
  5. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    I love this topic - my whole collection is based on this... Recent eBay stuff - ugly but affordable...:

    Commodus denarius:

    Commodus - Minerva Den Apr 2019 (0).jpg

    Faustina As:

    Faustina II as AVGVSTI Apr 2019 (0a).jpg

    Septimius Severus:

    Sept Sev - Victory ARAB ADI Apr 19 (1).jpg

    Gordian III - a grouchy portrait from Antioch:

    Gordian III ant FORTVNA Antioch Apr 19 (0).jpg
     
  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    That's a CircCam! Love it!
     
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  7. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I've never let low grade bother me. When I bought this one earlier this year, it was because it had pretty much everything I wanted in a coin - eye appeal, smooth even wear, a classic reverse type for Augustus, lovely old cabinet toning, and an interesting flan shape. I simply couldn't resist.

    Augustus - Denarius Bull 3465.jpg
     
  8. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    To complement your Septimius as, I have one of Julia Domna I bought last year. Like yours, I think some extra care went into the making of it to give it a 'medallic' look. I had always wanted one with the 'Mother of the Camps' reverse, and this one also had a fine portrait and an interesting provenance.

    Julia Domna - Mater Castrorum 679.jpg
    JULIA DOMNA
    AE As. 10.16g, 26.1mm. Rome mint, AD 196-211. RIC 881 (scarce); Cohen 121; BMC 789. O: IVLIA AVGVSTA, draped bust right. R: MATER CASTRORVM, Julia, diademed and veiled, standing front, head to left, sacrificing out of patera over altar with her right hand and holding long caduceus with her left; before her, three standards; S C in exergue.
    Ex G.G. Collection; reportedly ex Robert Friedinger-Pranter Collection, and privately acquired by him from Oberstleutnant Otto Voetter on 29 January 1913 for 6 crowns.
     
  9. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Well-Known Member

    A few of mine that are well worn but real favorites:


    Cool Hadrian Provincial - the "afro-effect" :woot: made it a must have:
    HadrianProvMERGE-removebg.png

    Trajan with a great color and I just love the portrait. Had been looking for an affordable sestertius to add to my Adoptive Emperor set..
    TrajanSestertiusMERGE-removebg (1).png

    I was really interested in Valerian's capture - read as much as I could (wish there was more!) An incredible story... could not resist this super cheap sesterius... the portrait really makes him look like a guy you'd site next to at a pub..
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  10. randygeki

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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Another perfect exemplar of the phenomenon.
     
  12. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    It is probably due to my willingness to collect lower grades with higher eye appeal that my Roman collection hasn't broken into the five digits yet.

    Some favorites....

    Julius caesar lifetime denarius macer sear 1414.jpg
    Claudius as minerva.jpg
    Nero denarius ivppiter cvstos.jpg
    Galba denarius virtvs.jpg
    Vitellius denarius libertas.jpg
    Didius julianus denarius concord militvm.jpg
    Didia Clara denarius Hilar Tempor.jpg
    Clodius albinus augustus genio lugdunum.jpg
    Saloninus antoninianus principi ivventvtis.jpg
    Hanniballianus rex AE euphrates seated.jpg
     
  13. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    I prefer coins with wear to them, but 'eye appeal' is certainly open to interpretation. Many in my collection fall into this category, and 'I know it when I see it'. Here are a few:

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  14. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    I love the Galba. I find his coinage very interesting. I also like the JC portrait denarius.
     
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  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    My feelings exactly. The coins posted here include several I consider full of eye appeal and several that I would not consider buying at any price. Beauty most certainly is in the eye of the beholder.
     
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  16. Coins with wear are so much more likable than mint state coins.
     
  17. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    It's ugly and i like it:
    ElymaisW2.jpg
     
  18. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Here's my latest acquisition that fits with the OP theme. To answer the OP question, I bought it for eye appeal (both the portrait and temple/stone appeal to me greatly), size & weight (29mm and nearly 20g), and history: the stone of Emesa was famously brought to Rome by Elagabalus in an attempt to transform Roman religion. It's nice to have this one under Caracalla, whom Elagabalus claimed was his father:
    562302.jpg

    On another subject in the thread, there are a couple possibly medallic asses posted above. Personally I doubt that yours is medallic, @zumbly, due to the low weight. Mine is too rough to have much eye appeal, unfortunately, but I'm certain it's medallic, at 30mm and 18g. It's also unlisted in this denomination with TR P III in RIC, although the BM has one. (Note that the third "I" is not the termination of the sceptre, which is never bent on this issue.) I think this lends some support to the idea Doug expressed above that these were New Years presentation pieces since Sev Alex received his tribunician powers each year in Dec. or Jan.

    @dougsmit I'd be curious to know the weight and diameter of your Sep Sev above, and also your Geta.

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  19. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    SS = 26mm 10.24g
    Geta = 27mm 8.26g thin!
     
  20. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Thanks, Doug! So neither is particularly broad or heavy. I'll have to read up on medallions more. I've read Toybee's short article (Numismatic Chronicle, 1944) but haven't gone through the book, which you can find here in full. I see she classes examples like mine (dies for an as struck on a sestertius flan) as "pseudo-medallions," and was aware of only 5 for Sev Alex.(!) Your examples are more ambiguous as to their status though they are certainly fine style and carefully engraved. I believe Toynbee has a separate category for those. "Medallic coins" are struck with obviously medallic obverse dies (high relief - maybe your new one fits here?), and then there are "Borderline pieces" of which she says "After Antoninus Pius... the still smaller bronze medallions are, down to Gallienus, easily distinguishable on the whole from ordinary coins and afford few examples of border-line pieces."

    Surely there is scholarship on these more recent than Toynbee, though.

    Here's a large-flan piece (15.27g, 29.0mm) I don't think is medallic - not special stylistically or in flan prep, the only thing out of the ordinary is its size and weight. Though as a Liberalitas issue I suppose it could be:
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  21. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I see no medallions here and preferthe donative issue theory. Some large medallions of the period do not have SC. Are there as die size items with no SC?
     
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