Morgan blue electric 1921

Quick answer. As a normal, proofs have a mirror look to the fields and business strike coins don't. Some business strike coins have mirror like fields and get called PL (proof like). They are not a proof, they just have that look.

 

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Somehow when I posted the above, I kinda expected you to come back with some denial right off. But I tried. If you just want to not believe anything anyone says here about conditions of your coins as they are and not as you imagine they are, fine. Just keep on keeping on with not learning. Your choice.

Have a good day. I'll keep my input for others who just might have a chance of accepting information. Bye.

 

but who do you think you are GOD ??? yours is an opinion like many others I don't understand because people should accept your ideas about a fixation that has been washed

 

therefore MS PL are not proof coins but coins similar to proof !!! pleasant reflections that raise prices tenfold, this is incredible, and who decides the market or ngc ???

 

Too much coffee perhaps.

 

therefore MS PL are not proof coins but coins similar to proof !!! pleasant reflections that raise prices tenfold, this is incredible, and who decides the market or ngc ???

 

i not see difference MS ... MS PL ... MS DPL modest differences that do not justify values so distant in price !!! sorry for you in these 3 coins there is a difference ???

 

I don't take coffee, thanks !!! I'm not here to sell anything and not even to buy anything I just like to understand certain aspects of the morgan dollar MS ... MSPL ... MSDPL the differences between them, in Italy they DO NOT EXIST the coins similar to the proof, or they are regular circulating or proof stop

 

If you had all three of the coins you posted, in hand, you could see the difference. It's not easy to see it with images.

 

Has anyone else noticed that the flip the coin is in looks like it is from an auction??? Why would grandpa's sacred coin be stored in that modern looking flip?

 

just seen that the difference is very limited to the point that from images you don't see I don't think the HUGE price difference in the market is justified !!! but who determines the 3 currency qualities the market or the ngc ???

 

in fact it was not inside the plastic case that I PUT 3 days ago and did not wash the coin. the coin was wrapped in a newspaper sheet of the time very yellowed and unmade in my hands, I think this bluish effect is derived from the influence of the oil contained in the newspaper's ink, my idea perhaps not correct

 

Gianni,
The very small, parallel lines that run NW/SE on the obverse (about 135/315 degrees) are even more accented thru the nice toning in your 2nd set of pictures. These, along with the coin looking too shiny (bright or polished) on the higher areas of the coin indicate that this coin has indeed been improperly cleaned. Any reputable coin dealer will tell you the same thing.
Still questioning whether it has been cleaned or not?
Take it to a trusted coin dealer. Let them study the coin in-hand and then ask them for their opinion. Don’t tell them what you have read here until after they tell you what they think.
Good luck!

 

The market decides itself. If the 1921 PL and DMPL coins are realizing those high prices than clearly there is a market for it which has been decided and justified. Also don’t get too hung up on just the price. Several factors go into it.

There is a thing called condition census. The 1921 if I recall is the rarest of all the Morgan dollars in PL and DMPL of the entire series. There is also supply and demand that has to be taken into account. If there are 10,000 1921 Morgan’s in MS65 they may not command as much of a premium as a DMPL which may only have as many as 50-100 from the millions that were minted. If you have 10,000 collectors that are chasing these 100 coins. Those coins will command such strong prices.

 

well! it is the market that decides and not NGC. Very correct! So for me my coin is a 1921-D MS60 + DMPL and I determine this IO from what I understood and keeping the coin in hand and knowing its genuine master history of this piece. I am sorry to understand that the photos (taken from a basic mobile phone) are not eloquent and show misunderstandings in some of you. But again the currency is not for sale when one day if you decide to put it on sale, those interested have the power to evaluate live and not express opinions risked by supposed experts

 

what an ass

 

Now take image, out of the envelope in my hand, here are the photos of the envelope, if anyone thinks it's a washed coin I think it's not me who doesn't understand much about coins but maybe others who pretend to be experts

 

You are partially correct. The market does decide pricing, however there are specific details that classify a coin as proof-like, deep mint proof-like, etc.
Until your coin is certified by a reputable 3rd party grader (PCGS, NGC or ANACS), it will be considered as AU / Cleaned.
I assure you that all three of these grading companies would label it as “cleaned”. They may give it an “AU Details” grade or possibly even an “XF Details” grade.
I hope that when you do sell it, you prove everyone at CoinTalk wrong.

 

Nice pics, but still polished.

 

For your coin to be MS you should be able to see the feather detail on the eagle's breast and legs on the reverse. Also look at the hair above the ear, on liberty on the obverse, for this date that area should also show nice details and not be flat. While we would be very happy for you if your coin were MS it appears that is NOT the case for this coin. It is still a very nice toned example. Just not MS nice.