Opinions PLEASE

If you didn't send it back I would do the same bet but ... I WOULD SEND IT IN so there is no Switch a roo going on.

 

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Arrangements have already been made if the offer comes.

 

I will not be suprised if we have seen the last of the seller.......

When returning it, be sure to do it thru paypal, so you do not get scammed on the scam restock fee ( see why those restock fees are scams? Almost $15 in this case)

Also, I will mention, sellers who use backgrounds other than white, especially red and black backgrounds SOMETIMES do so to hide the trick lighting. This does not imply that this auction was like that, just thought I'd throw that in when buying BU copper.....

 

So far, no offers and no answers.

 

Have we heard from the perpetrator of this "situation" yet?

Hmmmmmmmmmm

 

Whats really bad is that all of you guys can site in you house and ***** about the business practices of my business. I don't think a single one of you have to actually earn your living on your own so you just don't understand. Why do you think Best Buy. JC Penny and other huge comapnies have restocking fees. Because my time and effort cost me money. I could have been actually helping some one that wants me to make money then deal with people that don't like a simple 10% restocking fee.

the big kicker is that it is clearly posted on the auction. Now the buyer is demanding that I give him a full refund which is breech of contract. He entered into the contract on his own free will. he should be held legally to the contract.

 

Yes, "JC Penny and other huge comapnies (companies)" do charge a restocking fee - IF YOU GET WHAT YOU ORDERED. I will bet that none would do so when they delivered the wrong item.
"Now the buyer is demanding that I give him a full refund which is breech of contract." The contract was breeched when you sent a cleaned over graded coin. In even bigger letters, it states "The coin has good luster and grades MS 63 Red Brown." You, the seller, entered into the contract on his own free will. You should be held legally to the contract. Were I to have received such a coin, we would not be having this discussion.

 

BTW - This is the response I received from him. I have slightly modified it to make it printable here.

 

If anyone needs it, certain parts of this thread are absolute proof that joining this forum doesn't magically transform someone with the following Toolhaus record into a "good guy"!

 

WMS,

This thread started off fair and unbiased, a blind coin post for opinions, as fair as it gets. It happens here all the time, as this forum is just that, a forum of opinions and different levels of expertise.

Your scam is outed. You sell overgraded junk and got caught twice in a row, by two members here who know what they are talking about, not newbies on Ebay you could fool. One was unable to take your offer because you had the coin in possesion and were able to pull to switcheroo with your "challange".

You clearly and knowingly tried to rip-off someone with your overgraded garbage, and are now defiant and acting like a child when caught with the hands in the cookie jar.

Your restock fee scam, is exactly that, a scam because you are a dishonest scammer who scams people with scam coins and scam descriptions. How many times are you going to sell the 1910, the 1918, the many coins that we see regularly in your listings, over and over again. 10% each time is a racket, not a restock fee you like to call it. You were going to charge Rlm $14 to return that junk $4 coin???

Go cry elsewhere about how hard it is to keep your feedback good, and make money. There are many uf us here who Ebay regularly both buy and sell, and your feedback speaks for itself. I know a little bit about Ebay and selling coins myself. Honesty is the best policy,and feedback will reflect that as well.

Excuse my going off here, but you have tried to cheat and scam two forum members, 2 of my friends. We do not tolerate that here without firm and fast condemnation. Do not call us a gang or clicky, we have MANY good guy posts, and thumbs up for the good guys. We go our of our way to give kudos when we find a great dealer or seller who deserves recognition. Unfortunatly, you are not one of them.

Good guys are welcomed here with open arms and bad guys get flamed.

 

LOVE THAT>>....I couldnt of said it better. :hail:

 

I will not speak for everyone on the site but from what I have read the majority of you guys couldn't grade a coin correctly with a trained professional telling you what the coin is. Coin Grades are opinion and will vary but if you call that coin a XF you need glasses. The coin shows good luster and has no wear. Coin can be soft struck and with worn dies. There is a difference between wear and lack of details. You think just because some details are weak or missing the coin has wear. That is so far from how PCGS and NGC standards but you can keep them as your standards.

 

Good luster - except whee it had been cleaned. BTW - I had a professional look at it. He agreed with me and is willing to assist in my PayPal claim. If you had read my posts, I believe you that the coin was unc, just not a 63 and that it has been cleaned.

 

I guess your right. There is only 1 1910 wheat cent and 1 1918 wheat cent. Oh wait there were millions of coins minted in those years. But I guess it is hard to imagine more then one. I stock hundreds of coins and deal a large % in high grade copper. I am always looking for early wheat cents so it is not out of the ordinary for me to have multiples of those years. I guess you never thought of that though.

 

If you are such a good business man and know how to grade coins better than anyone here, why didn't you send it to PCGS. You could have made significantly more money that way. Here is an example of what a 1924-S MS-63 RB is worth (exactly as you describe this coin.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1924-S-Lincoln-Cent-PCGS-MS63RB_W0QQitemZ150226880456QQihZ005QQcategoryZ139803QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
It is nearly $300 and still has over 3 days to go. If your grading is correct (?), any good business man would have sent it off to be graded. Why didn't you?

 

Grades are opinion based with some technical back ground. I believe the coin is MS 63 RB. You do not. This is a misunderstanding and a difference of opinion. What really upsets me is that a simple difference of opinions and I get "Flammed" on this site. Instead of just realizing that my opinion if some thing other then yours and accepting the contract as it was when you entered into it. YOu have to try and wigle your way out of it.

If I was at a show and I had that coin in a holder labeled MS 63 Rb and you walked by and looked at it you might ask a price. Then I would tell you what price and you can decide whether to buy it or not. If you don't agree with the grade you would walk away and think I am crazy and that would be the end of it.

 

Those pictures are small but even with that I can tell that the coin is soft struck. and it also appears to be lack luster.

 

http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=wmsjewelers&Dirn=Received+by&ref=home

'nuff said

 

Thats what I am talking about. A bunch of you guys gang up on the seller because I didn't agree with now 2 sellers out of thousands. What ever happend to being bi partial. I guess most people of this forum just jump on the beat the dealer band wagon. Thats fine but one day its gona crash.

 

Therefore your coin is the same as. Therefore you costs yourself $150 and rising (less the $30 to slab it). Sounds to me like you are a great business man - about equal to your grading.