1964 sms ?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by ebenv, May 1, 2019.

  1. ebenv

    ebenv New Member

    If my coin is a proof 1964.Then why do the markers from my coin match up with the 1964 sms.It has the markers from the O and G on the obverse,and the die scratches on the reverse.I did not get this coin in circulation.It was put away for a very long time.Its not mirror like,more like a satin finish.You can see on the reverse it has the downhill die scratch like the sms,in the pillars.
     

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  3. ebenv

    ebenv New Member

    You can see its rim is square.
     

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  4. ebenv

    ebenv New Member

    Heres another die scratch that matches up
     

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  5. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    The dot in the O of "GOD" may match but that's all I'm seeing. I hope you have one but you will need better images of all the markers to show it.
     
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  6. ebenv

    ebenv New Member

    Thank you .What I understand is no pre clashed coins were examimed.This coin has the main marker the Dot in The O and the horizontal line on the bottom D.Now did the mint use the same Die for the 1964 proof and the 1964 sms? You cam see the scratches on the reverse very slightly.
     
  7. ken454

    ken454 Well-Known Member

    on a coin like this the only way to know for sure is send it to a TPG for authentication.....
     
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  8. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It still isn't a cheap submission. I would like to see some clear full size photos of both sides. The photos given aren't doing it for me. There is no reason to waste money on a coin that is only a proof.
     
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  9. ken454

    ken454 Well-Known Member

    very true but this guy seems convinced he has an sms coin, this is his second thread on it..
     
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  10. ebenv

    ebenv New Member

    Heres more of a close up off the die markers
     

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  11. ebenv

    ebenv New Member

    Oops wrong picture exuse the last one that was a comparison picture.heres mine
     

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  12. ebenv

    ebenv New Member

    heres another
     

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  13. ebenv

    ebenv New Member

    you can see the markers on the O and D
     

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  14. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Enough said.
     
  15. ebenv

    ebenv New Member

    The reason I posted this was if it's a proof then why do the markers on the obverse match with the sms.Weve compared other 64 proofs and none have those markings.Thanks for your reply. Now do you have an answer for that.Why do they match up.
     
  16. ebenv

    ebenv New Member

    Heres a picture of a proof its not a match.This guy I've been talking to has been collecting for 35 years says it's a pre clash
     

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  17. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    When someone decides to start multiple threads, it is usually because they didn't like the answers in the first. Just send it in already. Your photos aren't helping your cause.
    Good luck.
     
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  18. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    I think the best answer you are going to get is the result of a submission to a TPG.
     
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  19. ken454

    ken454 Well-Known Member

    a pre clash?? so he's saying the coin was struck before the dies clashed? which would make it a normally struck coin..and what relation does a clash have with an sms coin? :confused::confused:
     
  20. ebenv

    ebenv New Member

    I only posted 2 threads.The only thing I wanted to know was why do they match up.But didnt get an answer.I will send it in.The picture is clear enough to see the markers on the obverse. thanks everyone for your replys
     
  21. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    Truthfully, I think I see a proof.

    With the die markers, they may exist on the SMS but that also doesn't mean they don't exist by some portion on other dies. They were, after all, created from the same hubbing process.

    Only a handful of SMS coins were minted. Does that mean they used different dies ? They probably used the same dies for the SMS then later used them in circulated coins. But we'll probably never know the answer to that.

    https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/strike-type-definition-768693

    I don't know the answer to that, and you are not getting the answer you want here. So you are probably best to submit your cent to PCGS, ANACS, etc.
     
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