Is this.....?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Chip Kirkpatrick, Apr 30, 2019.

  1. Chip Kirkpatrick

    Chip Kirkpatrick Well-Known Member

    is it possible after so many thousands of coins, that I have finally found an actual error?

    Or are my eyes just crossed after looking at so many coins? 04015836-7C44-41AA-A100-9D8E04FB8899.jpeg F208586F-6646-42AF-B789-A678232825C4.jpeg
     
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  3. R_rabbit

    R_rabbit Well-Known Member

    Hi:)
    Imho, it looks like md. Can we see the whole coin please. Thank you
     
  4. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

  5. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    Your eyes are crossed. Not an error.
     
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  6. R_rabbit

    R_rabbit Well-Known Member

  7. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    The good news is that it is a real error...the bad news is that it is not a collectable error.
     
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  8. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    The real error is the mint overusing dies and overall poor quality once dies go past a certain time.
     
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  9. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    if you look elsewhere, such as the base of ICA you'll see the same result. Also the flat ring around the edge too showing something is going on with the die ...

    Don't focus on just one area. Look around. Get a larger picture of what's going on with the coin and the devices.
     
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  10. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    We must not forget these coins are made for Commerce.
    Quantity, not quality, is the primary concern.
     
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  11. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    I'm not really upset at all. I don't truly care if after striking (figures just for example) a million of any one coin (say for example a 1990 P Washington Quarter) that every single one of the remaining ones has noticeable mechanical doubling and extreme die wear that makes every single BU one of the remaining 612,792,000 coming out of the mint virtually noncollectable and not worth more in its lifetime than for spending or getting stuck in dryers. I know that cost-wise, quantity minted in the time allotted is primary, as it should be. Quite honestly, even one million of any coin that has over 600 million minted is more than enough to satisfy coin collectors for their higher quality examples when it gives those the chance to be pulled from circulation or in new rolls. And that is the state of what modern coins are at this time.

    No use worrying or such, just learn to recognize the bad production for the coin you handle, then throw it in the spend pile. True errors are much more rare.
     
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  12. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    MD but a nice one!
     
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  13. Chip Kirkpatrick

    Chip Kirkpatrick Well-Known Member


    Certainly. And what’s an MD?

    Certainly. And what’s md? 92AA5A11-5AC2-4665-94CA-D1F2FC32B7CA.jpeg 140950F7-A98E-4F4A-96FF-3D62D9725ABF.jpeg
     
  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    MD is mechanical doubling. There are a few other names and numerous types of doubling but they are all worthless doubling as it common.
     
  15. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Mechanical doubling, machine doubling, ejection doubling.

    I thought that they changed the process in the 1990's to cut down on the
    possibility of a doubled die. And then I read a contrarian article that says
    the exact opposite.
    However, I believe if you are to look for doubled dies you are not going to find them on modern coinage. Although, there is a nice one on the 2009 Washington DC quarter reverse, and I am sure some others to look for.
     
  16. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    MD, etc is when the machine, through wear, or slippage, etc causes the illusion of "doubling".
    Remember "quantity" .. these machines are producing 250 to 800 per minute!! Proof coins are done about one every 8 seconds +/- which is 6+ per minute by comparison.

    Real "doubling" is when in the process of making the "dies" themselves, somethings get stamped again slightly off and creates Doubling.

    There are actually 8 different classes of Doubling in this regards which is briefly summarized below
    Class 1, Rotated
    Class 2, Distorted Hub Doubling
    Class 3, Design
    Class 4, Offset Hub Doubling
    Class 5, Pivoted
    Class 6, Distended
    Class 7, Modified
    Class 8, Tilted

    There are other errors of course, but they are Die related, such as the old RPM where maintenance is done to a die to reestablish a deep Mint Mark to increase the longevity of the die, and it is reapplied slightly off. Then there the "errors" vs "varieties" as you learn more.

    Usually the super fast "circulation quality" machines are "horizontal" stamping machines with a rotating force for mechanical pressure, for the fastest process possible. The Proof machines are mostly "vertical" stamping machines with a higher hydraulic pressure for the best quality possible. (from my understanding)
     
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  17. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Excellent explanation!
     
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  18. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    They did change the process from multi-squeeze die hubbing to single squeeze process in order to speed things up and updated ( computer controlled engraving devices) ,but there so much chatter and movement ( mechanical process) that the mechanical movement was deemed by the industry to be mint caused rather than mechanical doubling. Thus it became double die also. And I have to add to Clawcoins 8 classes of 'doubled dies' ~~ Class IX God Only Knows ( DD) as per Wexlers and Flynn's " The Authoritative Reference on Lincoln Cents (2nd) 2009.

    So I guess any coin from the single squeeze era ( still continuing), the definition of a doubled die is in the mind of the beholder ( seller and/or TPG ). As they said " God Only Knows" . IMO Jim
     
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    Kasia Got my learning hat on

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