help with identifying roman coin

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  1. ali15111111

    ali15111111 Member

    hi, i have recently found this coin metal detecting if anyone could help me identify the roman coin it would be very greatly appreciated

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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    The legends are incomplete and the mintmark is off the flan, so this is the best I can do.

    Probably Constantius II as Augustus; billon reduced centenionalis -- GLORIA EXERCITUS reverse type with one standard between the soldiers. Unknown mint.

    Something like this:

    Constantius II Siscia Centenionalis.jpg
     
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  4. ali15111111

    ali15111111 Member

    thanks for the help the front of the coin is definitely the same, however i do believe that the obverse might be slightly different as the box at the top on the back looks like it has something different in it
     
  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Yes. Yours has an I. I lack that one but have M, Y and a Chi-Rho and know there are others. Since the three brothers names started with CONSTAN--- and since the mintmark is missing, we have done about all someone of my level could do here. I don't know the series well enough to know which men or which mints used an I.
     
  6. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    At this time... it would have either been Constans or Constantius II. I think the space allowed for the hard-to-see part of the legend makes me lean toward Constans. The legend would be CONSTANS PF AVG.

    One-standard GLORIA EXERCITUS coins with an "I" on the banner were apparently minted at either Lyons (mint marks PLG, Palm branch PLG, or SLG) or Arles (mint marks PARL or SARL). Since your mint mark is off flan, we cannot tell which mint your coin is from but it's one of the two. These were minted 346-348 AD.

    Source, Soldier's and Standards spreadsheet here: http://www.catbikes.ch/coinstuff/coins-ric.htm
     
  7. ali15111111

    ali15111111 Member

    thank you very much for the help it definitely looks like one of the 2 roman emperors, personally i think its Constantius the 2nd with the coin dating from 337-341 ad what else makes you think it is constans?
     
  8. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    As OJ mentioned, the available space to the right side of the head isn't large enough to support a longer legend after the break. We also can't see any evidence of a NTI on the left before the break as in Roman Collector's example.

    So for it to be Constantius II with this left side, the legend would have to be
    CONSTA - NTIVS PF AVG versus the shorter
    CONSTA - NS PF AVG
    And based on what we can see in the right, the AVG, and knowing there is a PF before that, Constans appears to be a great suggestion.
     
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  9. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    I think that it is probably Constantius II
    RIC VIII Lyons 26
    circa A.D. 340

    compare with the coin below.

    iB5RP4spFB2yz9Q6t7aT3fK3H8jrkF.jpg

    plenty of room for the legend, it's just off the flan.

    Plus Constantius II is very common while Constans is rare for this issue.

    another example

    'Ae3_4 Constance II'.png
     

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  10. ali15111111

    ali15111111 Member

    thank you very much for the help id say the bottom picture of the 2 coins is identical to my coin does that coin also date 337-341 ad and is it Constantius the 2nd?

    regards
     
  11. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    Yes, both coins that I posted are Constantius II from the same issue (RIC VIII Lyons 26) and the same date range.
     
  12. ali15111111

    ali15111111 Member

    hi, i have recently posted another coin which i have found metal detecting on the ancient coin forum
     
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