GRRR! I got fired a again (this time over a morgan)

You didn't answer the second question. :hammer:

Ribbit :smile

 

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counter, which is next to the cash register..

 

Arghhhhhhh! :computer:

Ribbit :smile

 

i think i answered your second question

did i?

 

oh, my bad,

my owner doesnt care about currency, as long all the $ we made is exact, and we can keep tips

 

Very good advice here...

 

My "arghhh" was concerning the answer to the second question. You were next to the register so that is somewhat like receiving money at the register and could be used as a technicality. It’s like the old saying . . . possession is nine-tenths of the law. If you were technically at the register, the money wasn’t in your possession but I still believe there would have to be a company policy in place for it to be considered stealing and if the owner saw you pocket the Trade Dollar, then he/she has every right to ask you to turn it over but then, they needed to give you back your dollar.

Nevertheless, they still didn’t have grounds to fire you if they didn’t have a policy in place that covered the situation.

Ribbit,
Toad

 

Depends on the state. In Maine they could fire because you had blond hair. In this case it is more an issue of ethics and I doubt a company anywhere would have a legal problem with canning the employee.

 

I hear ya! I'm just a little more liberal. I had an employee actually steal money (took money for services and pocketed it) and I fired him. Later, around the time I fired his replacement for being worthless, he called I told him to stop by for a chat and I ended up hiring him back. Since then, he has been a great employee.

I won't stand for outright stealing but if he put five dollars in his pocket and just forgot about it, I'd tell him to be more careful and then I'd forget about it. With what Stainless did, I do not consider it outright stealing, just questionable conduct and not grounds for termination in my book. To fire someone should be the hardest thing a manager has to do, and should be used cautiously and only when there is no doubt.

Ribbit,
Toad :smile

 

You are so right on this point. I may have been tough to get a job with but I always HATED firing someone.

Some get off on the "power" issue but I never did. When you fire someone they still have to earn a living and you've taken it away (at least temporarily). Unfortunately sometimes you just have to do it.

I sure do miss management. NOT!!!

 

So Stainless.. let me ask you this. Say that customer took that trade dollar into a coin shop and said 'how much' .. and the dealer said '$1' ... what would be the reaction now??? Why, this entire forum would start the usual 'bad coin shop dealer' rants all over again. About how dealers rip off customers, take advantage, etc.

So - let's see, it's okay for YOU to buy the trade dollar for $1 just to pay for the mans cup of coffee, but not a shop?

Yes, I do feel you were obligated to tell the customer 'this could possibly be a collectible coin, worth much more than $1 even if silver value alone, and you should take it to a coin shop or dealer. For now, if this is all you have, I will give you $1 to pay for your coffee.

You would have ended the day with honor, and the company you work for would have ended the day with an employee who is loyal, honest, and does the right thing whether being watched or caught.

Win Win

 

Good point! Even better, it's reasonable to assume the customer was hurting for cash, so why not make him an offer to buy it from him and include buying his coffee in the deal. If you had bought it from him, the owner wouldn't have a leg to stand on to claim it was his/hers. It would belong to you outright and everyone would have been happy, cept'n for possibly the owner. He might have preferred you take it and put it in the register so they could have it.

Thanks for pointing out the right thing to do. I got off on what everyone else was saying and didn't think about this.

Ribbit,
Toad :smile

 

Stainless; if you see that guy again when you return to work give him a big hug and then tell him to get out and never come back. EVER! And dont forget to kowtow to the boss everytime you pass him. Because its his place of business and you are lucky that he is paying you. Because you arent worth a your salary. He's just paying you out of the goodness of his heart. Employees do nothing that deserves payment. Those pesky federal laws always hurt the righteous business owner. Minimum wage indeed. And no thinking on your own!!

 

***WARNING***
Sarcasm in post above !

 

I wonder how much change your business-challenged boss would have sugested giving back in exchange for a demonotized dollar coin? Brilliant. You sound better off working elsewhere.
Guy~

 

The Coinage Act of July 23, 1965 restored legal tender status.

 

I've been searching for the actual Coinage Act Language but while I was searching I did find this...

The Trade Dollar Remonetized (1965)

A little known fact is that the Coinage Act of July 23, 1965, which provided for the production of clad coins, contained this wording (Section 102; italics ours): "All coins and currencies of the United States (including Federal Reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal Reserve banks and national banking associations), regardless of when coined or issued, shall be legal tender for all debts, public and private, public charges, taxes, duties, and dues."

Under this act, it seems that trade dollars were given the legal tender status that had been taken away in 1876, although probably no one in Congress was aware of the implication! Similarly, as the 1884 and 1885 trade dollars are now legal tender as are, it would seem, all pattern coins.

FOUND HERE

Interesting website... TRADEDOLLARNUT.COM

 

That is MUCH open to debate......

The fact is Trade Dollar was and is subject to rampant counterfieting! I cast much dubious suspicion on the person who would spend such a thing for coffee!

If I was ever at a register, and was presented a trade dollar, I would tell them that I could not accept that because it is not legal tender. The trade dollar is nothing but a non legal tender US produced silver round. Look on the coin, It says "Trade Dollar" not, "One Dollar". I would have refused it.

As far as the register till, Say this was a Peace or Morgan dollar, as long as it balances in relation to US LEGAL TENDER FACE VALUE DOLLARS at the end of the day. No harm/no foul. Customers ask for change all the time... no difference. And coins intrinsic worth exceed thier face all the time. Pre 82 cents are the newest example

I think that stainless was seen as competition for collectible coins by a dishonest manager and the manager wanted to "remove the competition".... And do not think for a second people are never fired unjustly in this country. You just look and hound for a just reason to do so.....

 

This is where it is exactly unclear.... legal tender as what... as originally monetized it was not worth one dollar, but legal tender as it's silver content.. the exact reason it was de monetized, people were being cheated with it. Now today instead of being worth less then a dollar, it is worth much more. All the same, it is still -very- grey area as to the legal status of the trade dollar

In the end it is moot, the silver and collectible value for real trade dollars makes it a collectible. But the number of fake trade dollars is exactly the reason to refuse one as payment.