GRRR! I got fired a again (this time over a morgan)

he dont know that to be true but somehow you magically know that i wasn't doing the restaurant a favor,i was actaully doing everyone a favor-including myself- the guy got the coffee, the CO. got the $, and i got the coin

 

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The coin was in the building. Nothing in the building where this business is being conducted that you didn't bring with you belongs to you unless the manager or owner gives it to you. The most amazing thing here is that this simple ethical concept is totally beyond the comprehension of so many people.

 

ok, I brought $1 bill with me into work, I gave the guy a dollar bill for the trade dollar, hence, it would be mine

tuh-da

 

either its not simple or it no longer goes along with society

 

No use in arguing, Stainless.
You won't be afforded the opportunity to be "right" for about another 12+ years.

 

Stainless,

I've pretty much backed you since you've been on CT now here goes.

YOU BETTER GET YOUR BUTT TO WORK TOMORROW DUDE!

I'm going into "manager" mode here now and I did it for about 20 years my friend.

1) Jobs don't grow on trees - especially these days.
2) Very few people actually enjoy their jobs. We just need to do silly things like eat and have a place to live. Fortunately I pretty much like my job now but it took me over 20 years to figure out that I'd rather fix holes and paint walls than kiss somebody's butt.
Until then I had to do a little butt kissing. That's called life dude.
3) I rarely recommended any "friends" for jobs because I was afraid they would let me down and that affects MY reputation. You're good friends with the owners son. Show him that you are worth it for both your friends and your sake.
4) Don't assume that going to college is going to put you into an immediate "high paying" job when you get out. Unless you are in the upper echelon of your class and have a field that is in STRONG demand you will most likely start toward the bottom. You still have to prove yourself.
5) NOW here are some things that potential employers actually look at. I took it a step or two further at times for the "lowly" position of cashier.
....IF you came into my store dressed like a bum and asked for application I would give you one. When you left I would write DNH on it. DNH means Do Not Hire.
....IF you came into my store and told me you needed a job I would give you an application. When you left you would get a DNH. Don't care if you need a job I want to know if you want to WORK for a job.
....IF you came into my store dressed decent but didn't have a pen to fill out your application you would get a DNH. You're not that serious about the job in question.
....IF you come into my store sharply dressed, pen in hand and resume ready I'll consider you. IF I see that you have had 8 jobs in the past 3 years you get a DNH. Why waste my time and company money training someone that MIGHT last six months. Managers have to look at these things.

Please read this and remember it Stainless. You're young but won't be forever.

As for the "lowly" cashier comment, well most folks have no clue how tough that job can be and the economy would not function without them and all the other "trivial" jobs.

Should you become rich and successful some day NEVER look down on these people. They keep the machine rolling.

clembo

 

Did you receive permission to take coins and currency out of the business when you believed they had numismatic value? No. I guess the only way you'll learn is to get into trouble a few more times. It's a slippery slope once you believe that nothing is wrong because you did it. Good luck with that approach to life.

 

just copied, pasted and printed,

thanks for the advice clembo,
stainless

 

i will admit to something if i think its wrong....

ok then....lets say when im at work i find a penny on the floor...should i get fired if i dont ask my manger if i can keep them since its technically, the CO.'s penny...(i actually do this a lot.lol)

this is basically what your saying

 

I've been a manager of a store.
That scenario is the only one I would have to disagree with.
Maybe the kid couldn't afford a pen, without a job.

Otherwise, heed Clembo's words wisely Stainless.
I hate my job, but I'm thankful to have it.
He's right about college, too.
My best friend has a 4 year degree, but I has a job similar to mine.
I have no degree.

So get to work and best of luck to you.

 

The simplest answer might have been to tell the guy "I can't accept this as payment. However, I will buy it from you for a dollar. Then you can pay your bill." His boss might not like it, but it eliminates the argument that the coin was the owner's property.

 

thats what i did

 

thanks rotobeast,
stainless

 

I don't think anybody cares about a penny on the floor. But you are correct that it's the company's. Ethics are not a matter of degree. If you can't be trusted with small matters, you can't be trusted with larger ones. Let's turn this around. Suppose you went to the manager or owner at the end of the day and gave him the pennies you found on the floor. How impressive would that be? Do you think he might be more inclined to trust you or less. Is your reputation worth two cents? Of course this is an exaggerated parable. But if you went to the manager and told him that a customer wanted to pay with a trade dollar that might be fake and might be valuable; and asked what did he want you to do? That probably would have been impressive.

You have made an ethical choice. Coins are more important to you than this job if your actions are any guide. Maybe that can be justified by telling yourself it's a dead end job anyway and you don't care about the consequences. That's your decision. But honest isn't something you can easily turn on and off, so it's best to cultivate the highest standards possible at every opportunity. Half the people will be impressed, and the other half will be astounded.

It's your life and your decision.

 

ok,

i get what your saying now....you are right...i should have done that

sorry for the flame war we had going,

no hard feelings?

 

You are more than welcome Stainless.

Now Roto,

I'll tell you why.
Years ago (when things weren't as tight) I went to apply for a job. Dressed nice, resume in hand, good work record but realized I did NOT have a pen. There was a White Hen across the street so I walked over and bought a cheap Bic for 19 cents.

Filled out the application, did a short interview and got the job. Over 50 people applied and TWO of us brought our own pens. I interviewed better but the other guy ended up working there as well. We both became managers eventually.

The guy that hired me told me this and it really said a lot to me. IF I hadn't taken the time and spent 19 cents I WOULD NOT have had a chance at that job.

Attention to detail can go a long way.

 

i should keep my mouth shut, but perhaps i am masochistic.
if i know the trade dollar is at worst, silver, or at best , it is real and the customer has no idea what it is worth.....what would i want done to me were i in their shoes??
onc e (20 yrs ago or so) i had a currency dea;er send me a unc $5 hawaii certificate w/ a pd invoice made out to me. i never ordered this item. he just accidentally sent it to me. i mailed it back immediately even tho i could have just kept it.
another time i pd for a $20 money order and received a $200 one. same result.
i do not intend to be self righteous as i certainly the last thing from being perfect or even good.
the first question one should ask is would i want it done to me????

thats only my opinion ad i will shut up now..

 

Not me I blame the government.

 

My 2 Cents

Hey Stainless with his job back,

I didn't read all of the posts but I did read all the original posts (way down the line somewhere) and I figured I'd get into this puddle of pee (I'll feel right at home).

Here’s what I understand happened:

Customer paid you 1 Trade Dollar & 6 cents for a cup of coffee. You kept the Trade Dollar and replaced it with a current dollar and the original 6 cents and placed that into the cash register. My questions are as follows:

How much, with tax included, is/was a cup of coffee? Was it the entire $1.06 or did some of the $1.06 include your tip?

Did the customer pay you at the counter/table where you served him, or at the cash register?

If some of the $1.06 included your tip, it's up to you to place the cost of a cup of coffee in the cash register and keep the tip. There is NO law that says you have to place the exact currency that a customer hands you into the cash register, unless it is company policy. Someone mentioned something about company policy earlier, but what they didn't take into account is that is THEIR company policy and not necessarily your company's policy and if there isn't a policy in place covering this situation, you are not guilty of stealing. If you worked for that other person, you would have been guilty of stealing and they would have fired you (or so it sounded). What that person said earlier is common company policy but it isn't a generic cover-all policy. Most policies must be conveyed in order for them to have any foundation, whether written or oral. Written is the best method because if the earlier person doesn't have that policy in writing and all their employees haven't signed off on it and he/she fires someone for violating the verbal policy, they may end up in a labor dispute and unless the verbal policy was video recorded, they will probably lose and have to reinstate the employ with back pay. An example of a cover-all policy that doesn’t have to be conveyed is actually theft of property, whereas you are not guilty of that. If you would have kept the Trade Dollar and not replaced it with a current dollar, then that would have been theft and you could be fired without having a company policy governing theft.

Now, as a last bit, to finish off this pee’n contest, I’ll pose a question/hypothetical situation to all those who think Stainless is guilty of stealing:

What if Stainless had put the trade Dollar in the cash register and then someone used it to provide change for another customer. Would that employ be guilty of giving away/stealing company property? And what about the customer who received the trade Dollar in their change, would they also be guilty of stealing company property?

It sounds to me like those who think you are guilty of stealing, are basing it on the fact you knew the difference between a current dollar and the Trade Dollar but if you didn’t know the difference, you wouldn’t be as guilty but still guilty. That’s just like saying you’d be guilty of murder if you killed someone by intentionally pointing a gun at them and pulling the trigger but not as guilty if it wasn’t intentional. No matter how you look at it, you are guilty of murder (providing they die). It’s the degree of guilt that’s the difference (first degree murder all the way down to involuntary manslaughter). So, with that philosophy and providing there is no company policy governing this situation, the employee that gave the trade Dollar away as change isn’t guilty of anything but ignorance and you are guilty by reason of intelligence. I find that absurd! But remember folks, this is based on NO COMPANY POLICY. Please read my words carefully before going off half-cocked and getting your knickers into a knot.

What I believe is if your company didn’t have a policy concerning what happened (which I somewhat doubt they did), the Trade Dollar belongs to you and the company needs to give it back to you but if the company did have a policy governing this situation, your firing was justified. However, to demand the coin back now after getting reinstated, would probably not be wise.

Ribbit,
Toad :smile

Ps: I once worked as a waiter and the customers would pay us and at the end of the shift, we would turn in the amount owed the company. There was never a company policy governing what happened to Stainless and if someone would have paid me with a Trade Dollar, I would have kept it as a tip and not used it to pay the amount owed the company. I would not have been guilty of stealing, because what was in my possession was my responsibility (belonged to me) until I turned it in, then what I turned in became company property and if I didn’t have enough to cover the checks, I owed the company the difference.

Ribbit – Ribbit - Ribbit

 

lol...you just wrote more than we did in this entire thread...

coffee is $1.00 plus tax so $1.06