In God We Trust

I recently heard that starting with the 2009 Presidential Dollar sets, "In God We Trust", by law, must be moved to the front of the coin. My question is what may this do to the 2007s and the 2008s that are out there that will have "In God We Trust" on the side. Something like this, I would think, would make the 2007s and the 2008s the most sought after of the sets (or until something else changes.) Because what you will have here is 2 years of it in one spot, and like 6 more years of it in a nother spot. Will this be the case though?

 

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Honestly I think a lot of people just won't care. They're collecting the dollars not word placement.

Of course sellers will try and pump it up for money but if mintages are similar what's the difference really?

 

Sounds like the home shopping networks sales pitch.

I was flipping through the channels the other day. Stopped on the home shopping network coin show. They mentioned the same thing that you are mentioning here. I don't buy it......literally.

 

It creates a two-year variety. These will be popular with variety collectors and gullible folks who shop on TV.

 

Actually what I heard is the motto must be moved to the front or back, and they haven't decided which yet... anyone else heard an update on that? Have they firmly made a statement one way or the other?

And I don't think it will significantly matter as to the 2007 and 2008 dollar values... I could be wrong, but the "variety" occuring with the two different locations won't mean a whole lot when there's hundreds of millions of each variety... varities only increase the value if a) it's signficantly rarer than those without the variety, and b) a significant number of collectors care. Neither a or b will apply here.

 

Troodon,

BRUTAL.... but probably true!

 

It's only being moved to both appease the Moral Minority and anger the Atheists.

 

I heard one day that it had to be moved to the front or the back, then I heard the next day that they had decided on the front. I cant tell you positively 100% though.

 

igwt

last i heard they were leaning toward the reverse..............stay tuned!

 

Atheists are the minority lol, based on every poll I've ever seen... not going to get into a religious discussion here though.

 

And I still demand they include references to a goddess. Gender equality and all that jazz.

 

God doesn't reproduce, there's only one of him, gender is irrelevant. (Referring to God as "he" is just standard linguistic convention, not a description of any actual gender based on religious doctrine. Could just as easily refer to God as she or it.) Besides which "god" doesn't necessarily specify a male deity, much as "actor" could be male or female... "goddess" is a specifically female term, but "god" is not specifically male. That's semantics, not religion lol...

I think I read a poll once that about 95% of the human population believe in at least one supreme being. And most of the rest are agnostic, not atheist. I see no logic in offending 95% of the population for the sake of avoiding offending the other 5% lol... besides which the motto is declaritive, not imperative. I'd see the point if the motto was "Trust In God," that may be close to violating the establishment clause of the 1st amendment, as some anti-motto people argue, but "In God We Trust" is purely a statement reflecting the tradition the country was founded on. It's not saying you must do the same. It's also not necessarily specifying the Judeo-Christian God... if you like feel free to replace "God" in your mind with Allah, Buddha, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster if you so choose, or just disregard it entirely if you don't beleive the God they're stating they trust exists at all. Freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion... in other words the 1st amendment guarantees your right to freely express any religion you choose, or none at all, but it doesn't protect you from witnessing other people expressing a religion you don't believe in. Nowhere in the Constitution does it state you have a right to not be offended.

And don't want to get deeper into what may be construed as a politcal and/or religious discussion lol... but the subject came up in a way that related to coins so seemed appropriate in this instance.

 

I find it amusing and amazing that people get so fired up about something like a motto on a coin or banknote. I wish people were this passionate about important matters, like the economy, disease etc.

 

Amen to that lol... but you'd be suprised about how anti-religious atheists and agnostics (I have nothing against the merely non-religious) get worked up about such things as if they're actually accomplishing something for the betterment of society by working to get "In God We Trust" off our money and "Under God" out of the Pledge of Allegiance, and getting rid of nativity scenes and the 10 Commandments in public places. They want to impress people with their mission, why don't they raise money to fight disease, pollution, homelessness, etc. instead of wasting their efforts on something few people care about and has no real impact on peoples' lives in the long run. Yet to see the way they act and talk, you can tell they really believe that what they're doing is for the betterment of society somehow. It amuses me to note the hypocricy of people who claim they hold no religious beliefs whatsover being just as zealous or more so about proselytizing their beliefs (or non-beliefs?) as those they love to criticize.

Anyway last I'll talk about that here lol...

 

it's the Flying LINGUINE Monster, sheesh... get your facts straight!!! LOL

 

I think moving the motto will have a slightly positve impact on value if only because a few type set collectors will want one of each to complete their sets. Most others won't care because it doesn't change the number of coins minted during the year.

 

Ugh. This argument had no validity to it the first time it was made, and it doesn't have any validity to it now.

Private citizens and businesses and churches can put up whatever religious signs or symbols they want on their property, but the government does not have the right to establish a religion. It doesn't make a difference if 50% of the people believe in that religion, or 99%, or even 100% of the people believe in that religion. The government cannot establish a religion, and by having our national motto be "In God We Trust," the government has established a monotheistic religion. The government must be religion-neutral. It would be just as unconstitutional to have our motto be "There Is No God."

Of course there are more important things to worry about, but really, a secular government should not have that motto. It is completely inappropriate and does the EXACT OPPOSITE of what a national motto is supposed to do: unite the people of a country under one banner. I much prefer our original nation motto: E Pluribus Unum.

 

If anyone really cares, here is a good representation of the Christian perspective.

http://www.wels.net/cgi-bin/site.pl...A_qaID=1&cuTopic_topicID=2&cuItem_itemID=3385

[SIZE=+2]Q:[/SIZE]How do we know that God is male and not female? [SIZE=+2]A:[/SIZE]God is spirit (John 4:24) and, to the best of our knowledge and understanding, not a "sexual being" in the same way his creatures are. So we do not say or maintain that the Christian faith requires us to say that "God is male" in that sense. It would not be false doctrine to say that God is an asexual personal Being.

We also know that God, in revealing himself to mankind, consistently chose to use male terms concerning himself (Father, Son, masculine pronouns, etc.). And we know that when the Son of God became a human being, he became a male person and remains so. It is also true that he sometimes uses feminine picture language to describe his activities among us, as in Matthew 23:37.

When we speak about God it is our privilege and responsibility to remain true to his self-revelation, so we retain the male vocabulary and terminology that he uses in his Word. We believe that we have no right or ability to try to improve on his manner of making himself known to us. Therefore we refer to God as male in that sense.

 

This thread wasnt created to debate about God and his/her gender. Drop the religion and pick back up on the coin please.

 

what was the question?