Is there a name for this kind of error?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Pondering_Infinity, Mar 28, 2019.

  1. Pondering_Infinity

    Pondering_Infinity Active Member

    Hi
    So, I am not even sure what to call this kind of error. This is a 1770 Demi Sol from France, and quite a nice one at that. 1770DoubleSol.JPG Clearly there is a die crack on the reverse, sure I get that.... I may even see a little evidence of doubling, but that is not my quesiton.

    If you look on the reverse you can see that a bit of the metal got caught between the collar and die. It caused a smooshed section that rises up above the reverse of the coin. It comes up about 1/8th of an inch or so. it is very thin, as I say, my guess is that it was caught between things when it was struck.

    Anyone know what to call such a thing?
    Thanks
    Gary
     

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  3. Pondering_Infinity

    Pondering_Infinity Active Member

    some other shots of t 1770DemiSolObv.jpeg he coin
     
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  5. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Photos aren't the best, but I think
    the area you're talking about is just
    damage, and has nothing to do with
    the minting process.

    The very last photo, while dark, shows
    what I see as damage on the top side,
    which is where your first, close up photo
    is from, I believe.

    Another set of photos, not as dark,
    and not quite as 'close up' as the first photo
    posted, should enable us to make a better
    determination as to what you have there.
     
  6. Pondering_Infinity

    Pondering_Infinity Active Member

    Thanks for taking a look Fred.

    I know it looks like damage from that angle, but in hand I assure you it is not.

    Hope that this photo makes things more apparent. Or maybe it is, but if it is, it follows all along the rim on the reverse at the top with this area being the most pronounced.
    1770DoubleSol2.JPG
     

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  8. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Can you take this photo again but get it from the other (top) side, so we are looking at the edge of this coin where the edge is raised?
     
  9. Pondering_Infinity

    Pondering_Infinity Active Member

    tough to see it from that angle but here goes


    1770DemiSol4.JPG
     
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  11. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Can you maybe put the camera on something so you're not shaking? These are all really blurry photos...
     
  12. Pondering_Infinity

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  13. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Look at the 5th photo - the same 'roughness'
    at the top is below, just above the center of the
    coin.

    It's not a planchet deflect or lamination, imo.

    With the extra photos, which still don't show the
    surfaces properly (imo), and no further photos,
    I still believe what you see is not mint made.
     
  14. Pondering_Infinity

    Pondering_Infinity Active Member

    The coin is not damaged. I dont any damage to the edge of the coin at all. Where did the metal come from? It is not from the detacles or the edge of the coin. You need to account for where the metal came from if you want to say it was damaged IMHO.

    In order for you to be correct it would be a very odd thing. It would have had to roll smoothly around the edge of the coin and pinch it ever so slightly. This lifted edge appears at 10:00 oclock to about noon and then the big one at 1:00 oclock.

    I have done photos with an iphone and scans on a scanner. I dont own a professional microscope. I dont know how to get you more clear shots.
     
  15. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    I can only offer my opinion based on the photos.
     
  16. Pondering_Infinity

    Pondering_Infinity Active Member

    @Fred Weinberg I appreciate that and I appreciate your taking a look. I am still wondering where the metal came from as there is no damage to the edge or at 1 oclock on the face of the reverse. Who knows right...??

    Well, I know you are a well known name in coins. I am wondering what you might think of this coin. Double struck or not? 1720Obv.jpg
     
  17. Pondering_Infinity

    Pondering_Infinity Active Member

    this is what the coin should look like

    1720Correct2.JPG
     
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