By what percentage would you discount a cleaned/polished

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Browns Fan, Mar 25, 2019.

  1. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    So you, as a self-professed “dealer” openly admit to cracking problem coins to sell raw under the guise that individual collectors should know what’s acceptable to them? Am I understanding you correctly?

    I’m sorry, but there’s usually only one reason to remove that scarlet letter without a resubmission and it isn’t a noble one. If a coin is going to be sold honestly at a discount anyway as if damaged or of a lower grade, there’s then no reason to remove something that some buyers still prefer.
     
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  3. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member

    Just go on Ebay and see what cleaned coins are getting. And Ebay is by far the biggest marketplace for coins.
     
  4. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member

    The reality is that those cleaned key dates will sell for good money on Ebay.
     
  5. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    I've seen some cleaned Bust and Liberty Seated quarters and halves go for about 70-80% of uncleaned coins. Cleaned Morgan dollars going for a small percentage over melt.
     
  6. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    But the question is, is that "good" money what percent of a not cleaned coin?
     
  7. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member

    For sure, far more than spot. And the level of cleaning also plays a factor. Lightly cleaned compared to harshly cleaned. Some toned black silver coins actually look better when they have been lightly cleaned
     
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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Just an observation, the way this discussion is going illustrates the problem with the very question itself, as well as the answers being provided.

    Ya see, people are trying to explain what they mean, what their thoughts are, but there really aren't any words that allow them to do that in a way that those reading their words can really or correctly understand what they mean. Take the words cleaned, polished, harshly cleaned, for example. If ten different people read them there's probably at least 4 or 5 different meanings, different understandings, being attached to those words. In other words, the very words mean entirely different things to different people.

    And yes, there is always the matter of degree to consider, and yes it matters or makes a difference. But only in some ways.

    For example, if a coin has a single wipe mark on it, that coin is deemed to have been harshly cleaned. But at the same time if a coin has been scrubbed with a Brillo pad, that coin is deemed to have been harshly cleaned. Or, if a coin has been polished to any degree with a cloth or rag or even a mechanical buffer, that coin is deemed to have been harshly cleaned. Or, if a coin has been over-dipped, that coin is deemed to have been harshly cleaned. And there are a hundred other ways a coin can be harshly cleaned. And with every single one of them the coin is a problem coin.

    What I'm trying to get across here is that it doesn't matter what the method is, or what the degree is, the only thing that matters is that if you can tell that it has been done, if there are physical traces, then that coin has been harshly cleaned. And the words harshly and improperly, they both mean exactly the same thing. So the term can be harshly cleaned or improperly cleaned - they both mean exactly the same thing.

    However, the word cleaned, used by itself, or used in conjunction with properly, as in properly cleaned, does not mean the same thing. A coin that has been cleaned or properly cleaned is NOT a problem coin. And there are very, very few methods by which a coin can be properly cleaned.

    In simple terms, cleaned or properly cleaned = problem free coin.
    Harshly cleaned or improperly cleaned = problem coin.

    But there's a while lot of people who either don't know that or simply don't understand it. So when people read a thread like this, it's all too easy for them come away not understanding anything at all, or completely misunderstanding everything that has been said by others. And it's all because everybody has their own definitions that they apply to words. To one the same word means this, and to another the same word means that - and they are rarely the same thing.
     
  9. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    I like your definitions. I believe a properly cleaned coin is problem free. And if you can't clean a coin the right way, you shouldn't expect your coins to be more valuable than they would without the cleaning.
     
  10. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    If you can't tell it's been cleaned, it hasn't been cleaned...corollary...if it looks Uncirculated, it is.
     
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  11. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Most might say 99% Taboo
     
  12. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    WHERE'S THE BEEF!!!
     
  13. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    10% over spot. Honest answer
     
  14. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Half price of what. Do you mean spot plus 50%
     
  15. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    I can live whith that. Fair answer
     
  16. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    There's the twist. But were talking in general trems
     
  17. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Yeah. I think we all would pay 25% over spot for a 1804 dollar.
     
  18. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    I’d like to hear a response on this, too.
     
  19. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    @Kentucky @twoshadows. Don't think twoshadows meant to show his poker hand. BUT HE DID. I'm very offended because I'm the one who doesn't know enough about cleaned coins. And I'll lose my top.
     
  20. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    My god your sensible. Love when you speak
     
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  21. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Sencible maybe
     
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