East India Company

I got this today and it's still in the 2x2 flip, the scratches are mostly on the flip and it's got some nice eye appeal imo. Anyone familiar with doubled dies for world coins? What grade do you think?
1835 1/4 East India Company

 

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Nice DDO! Very prominent in the M in WILLIAM especially!

 

The Far East India Trading Company had quite an interesting history. You should do a little research on it. Nice looking coin.

 

Thanks! Probably the W shows it better. I just need to take the coin out of the 2x2 and take better pictures.

 

Thanks @Collecting Nut ! That's why I got the coin, the history of British East India Company is very interesting. The Doubled Die was just a nice surprise. Seller's pictures didn't show it.

 

It's a very nice looking coin and I can see the doubling. It must be better in hand.

 

That is a fantastic coin, congrats!

 

I tried to take some better pictures...
Do you think I can get an AU if I get it graded? It's probably an XF imo. And how does it work for world coins if I want to get a Variety Attribution? Are they just gonna add DDO on the label? Where can I find maybe I can match a FS number or something like that? Anyone knowledgeable about this? Thank you!

 

Looks like its been polished, it'll probably grade details, I wouldn't submit it.

 

Thank you for taking the time to take a look. I think the pictures are bad and makes it look polished. Soon there will be a coin show near Chicago and maybe someone can tell me more with the coin in hand.

 

I'm leaning AU details, but so hard to be sure from photos. I think your idea of soliciting some in-hand expert opinions is a good one.

For what it's worth, there's a NGC AU details 1/4 rupee on eBay right now. I think yours is a nicer coin, plus there's the DD factor.

 

Thank you for your input! I just looked up the ebay ngc you mentioned and you are right. This weekend there's a coins show near my house here in Chicago. I'll keep you updated what some of the experts tell me with the coin in hand.

 

I'm not sure of the value of coins made for India, but my father left me a 1944 One-Half Rupee and a 1943 One Anna which I am sure he got while on submarine duty in the South Pacific during WW II. He also had a sealed One Penny from the East India Company salvaged from the Admiral Gardner 1809 wreck. Not much, but I love my Dad.

 

That's how world coins became my first numismatic obsession. My dad and my uncle brought back coins from the Pacific and Europe after WW2 and they ended up in a small box on my parent's bedroom dresser. I was intimately familiar with those coins before I ever laid eyes on a Peace dollar or Franklin half.

 

These are not coins that went into circulation - the East India Company who ruled India at the time did not issue any coins with the head or name of William IV.


The India section of my copy of British Commonwealth Coins, (3rd Edition, 1971, by J Remick, S James, A. Dowle and P. Finn, Winnipeg, Canada) lists all coins issued under British rule, that is the various presidencies of the EIC, coins issued by the British government from 1862 to 1947, and Indian Native States coinage.


What we have here are patterns which were produced following the decision of the EIC in 1834 to unify the coinage that was produced in separate mints (Bombay, Bengal, Madras and Calcutta). Several patterns were produced. The authors of British Commonwealth Coins state, (page 286), " There are quite a few patterns for British India. Unfortunately we know of only a small number, and are listing them".

Their list includes three different patterns of the silver one rupee coin, three with the portrait of William IV and one without, dated 1834. Unfortunately, there are no photos of these patterns, but I have no doubt whatsoever that any coin with the name of William is a pattern.

 

PS The letter on the neck truncation is an F, the mark of Mr Forbes (no christian name available) who was mintmaster in India from 1834 to1849, and the only one to use a single initial as his mark

 

On numista website shows some mintage numbers for it...
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces41024.html

 

@roman99 You are right! The coin has been clean and if submitted it will grade details. I've been to a coin show near Chicago and some knowledgeable people there confirmed it. Again, thank you for your input.

 

What show was near Chicago this weekend? I live in the area.