How to Tell if a Peace Dollar is Dipped?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by timewaster1700, Feb 13, 2019.

  1. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Ya know on second thought there is a very big difference between not collecting coins for over 10 years, and not being involved with coins for over ten years. Ya see, ya don't need to collect them in order to be involved with them.

    I have never stopped, not for a single day, reading about, studying, researching, and writing about coins since I quit collecting them in 2006. I'll take that back, there were 2 days in 2007 when I had a massive heart attack that I stopped. But other than that, I've never missed a day ;)
     
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  3. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Decades old Experience doesn’t last forever. Outdated experience is a real thing

    People had 60 years of experience when they thought the sun rotated around the world and the earth was flat. If you don’t keep learning you’re outdated and irrelevant.
     
  4. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    So lets forget the toning on your example sometime an easy way to tell if a coin has been over dipped and then possibly re toned is to look at the luster.
    Compare the two coins below:[​IMG]
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    This one is from Heritage auctions and sold just this month.
    https://coins.ha.com/itm/peace-doll...2-8003.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
    Here are the photos.
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    Your original coin shows luster but it is very subdued.
    There really isn't any sharpness to the details.
    The second coin is very sharp and shows brilliant and radiating luster. If a dip is done correctly then the outcome should look like the second photo.
    As @GDJMSP eluded not every coin is a candidate for a dip.
    The reason: is a heavily toned sometimes terminally toned coins the toning has enveloped too much of the luster and when you dip the coin that luster is removed. It then leaves a dull and lifeless looking coin.
     
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  5. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Completely different pictures styles
     
  6. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Yes but I don't care how many times you photo the first coin it will not show the same amount of luster as the second.
    I see your in an argumentative mood today.:(
    The first coin is dull and lifeless.
     
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  7. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    You could easily flip the two with photographs is no one has actually seen them, but why let facts get in the way
     
  8. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    How about this. Take some photos and prove your theory.
    It would be good to associate what you say with some examples.
    Do you have a peace dollar to show us?
     
  9. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Come on, we all know Baseball doesn’t post any coin pictures. I strongly believe he is a stamp collector in disguise :)
     
  10. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    That's funny.
     
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  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    +1
     
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  12. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    @timewaster1700 , I don't have a picture to show you, but if I run across one, I'll let you know.

    This is just an example: If you live in an area with "hard" water and you don't rinse the dishes with extremely hot water, the water on the dish will not evaporate and it will get spotted. An improper rinse kind of looks like water spots.
     
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  13. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    There’s a huge difference between collecting and being a numismatist. I have but few pieces of gold in my collection and a grand total zero proof gold pieces (beyond bullion) in my collection anymore, but I’m still very versed in US gold and don’t hold back a comment if I have something of value to add to the conversation.

    As far as the subject of dipping, if the coin retains proper luster, the dip was proper and should be considered for a straight grade. I have seen some horrendously overdipped pieces floating around in TPG slabs as long as they have been grading coins though.
     
  14. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I rarely dip a coin, but when I have, I dilute the dip about 1:1 with distilled water (EZ-Est). this slows the process some so I have more control. Rinse under hot tap water then soak in dilute baking soda in distilled water for a few minutes (to neutralize any residual dip), rinse that off then soak in distilled water for a few minutes, followed by careful drying on a very soft and clean flour sack towel.
     
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  15. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Hahaha. Well played.

    Anyways yes I rarely post pictures because if/when I sell things from my collection I want that to be the first time they have been seen in a long time. I also don't want the people that troll me on here to degrade the auction listings out of spite.
     
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  16. Thanks everyone for the input. I think I'm getting a better picture in my head what the rinse spots look like.
     
  17. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Says the guy who follows GDJMSP around to argue with everything he says.

    This is nothing other than excuse, you have a very intriguing way to beat around the bush, so that you can never be held accountable for your statements.

    By the way Nobody follows you around, there are some of us who read just about all the posts. You can stop trying to pat yourself on the back.
     
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  18. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Apologies to the OP that someone felt the need to troll another thread and try and derail it with nonsense
     
  19. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Yes, sorry it was derailed by this statement.
     
  20. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

  21. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Come on kids, let’s stop it here. The OP asked about Peace dollars and cleaning.

    Personally I don’t like “blazing white” silver coins. So cleaned or not, I generally avoid coins without any toning.
     
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