looks clad to me

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by tartanhill, Feb 13, 2019.

  1. tartanhill

    tartanhill Well-Known Member

    Does this coin look like a clad coin to you? Seller makes no mention in the description.

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    Seleukid Empire, Demetrios II Nikator AR Didrachm. Tyre, dated SE 184 = 129/8 BC. Diademed and draped bust right / [BAΣIΛEΩΣ] ΔHMHTPIOY, eagle standing left on prow left, with palm frond behind; to left, club surmounted by A PE in two lines, A and monogram above ∆ΠP (date) to right, monogram between legs. SC 2196.2c; HGC 9, 1125; DCA 232. 14.07g, 27mm, 12h.

    Good Very Fine.
     
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  3. frankjg

    frankjg Well-Known Member

    You mean like a fourree?
     
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  4. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Clad? On an ancient? Is that possible?
     
  5. Pavlos

    Pavlos You pick out the big men. I'll make them brave!

    I think clad is a term more used for modern coins plus it means there are many metal layers present in the coin intentionally for circulation. This is definitely a fourree as @frankjg mentioned. A fourree has a bronze/copper core with a silver outer layer and is meant for ancient counterfeiting.
     
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  6. roman99

    roman99 Well-Known Member

    Fraying at the edges looks like a fouree. Its silver plated copper, not a nickel and copper mixture, which is what clad is.
     
  7. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    If you want the coin you shouldn't be paying anywhere near the price of a "real" one. Made in antiquity for the purposes of fraud, they can be collectable in their own right. I have a few. Any dealer worth their salt would have it in the description.
     
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  8. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    I would say it is just based on the photo, however the weight is correct for a tetradrachm. The reference number they are using is for a didrachm though :sour:
     
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  9. tartanhill

    tartanhill Well-Known Member


    I guess I meant to say plated.
     
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  10. Pavlos

    Pavlos You pick out the big men. I'll make them brave!

    I agree that the ancient counterfeiter did a good job to make this coin with pretty much the same weight as the real deal, I wonder if he managed to do this intentionally or if it is just coincidence.
     
  11. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I'm new at ancients but that really through me. Thanks for clearing that up.
     
  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    For those new to the subject, I have several pages on plated coins illustrated with images that should help distinguish them from solid coins.
    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/fourree.html

    I need to work on more images that illustrate the topic more effectively. The one below does show core exposed by a broken edge to some effect.
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  13. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ....*threw....:p
     
  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Really! You can say that again.
     
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