Imaging Proof Coins - Suggestions?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by kanga, Feb 7, 2008.

  1. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    I've known for quite a while that getting good images of proof coins is a problem.
    The very shiny surfaces cause havoc with getting a representative image.
    Now I've got some added problems:
    1. The coins are in slabs
    2. They are older proofs and the surfaces seem less even.

    Here's what I've got so far:

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    Frankly I couldn't tell at a glance that this is a proof coin if I didn't already know.

    And is the graininess normal for a proof from this time period?
    My eye doesn't see it, but it shows under low power (3x).
    I haven't tried any recent proofs so I don't know how they look as images.

    Is this a reasonable image of a proof from that year?
    If not, I'll take suggestions as how to do it better.
     
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  3. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    That doesn't look like a bad image to me. One option that might allow you to capture the reflective proof surfaces better would be to angle the coin when you shoot the image. For example you could lean the slabbed coin against another slab at a slight angle and adjust it so that you see the reflectivity but not too much reflection/glare. It takes a bit of work but often does the job.
     
  4. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    The problem (for me) with tipping the coin is that I'm in a macro setting with my camera, and even slight changes in object distance causes focusing problems.
    Part of the coin would look nice and parts would be fuzzy.
     
  5. hontonai

    hontonai Registered Contrarian

    Angle the light, not the coin.
     
  6. walterallen

    walterallen Coin Collector

    Looks like an PCGS slab. What the grade?

    Allen
     
  7. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I now use 2 lights ((Philips natural) directly opposite each other. 1 is ~45 degrees and the other is ~60 degrees from the vertical with the camera directly over the coin. I do not know if this is acceptable to you, but I think they look nice. I am also convince that most of it is the camera. The newer cameras are much better than the older. Mine is a Canon A560.
     

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  8. rotobeast

    rotobeast Old Newbie

    Pun intended ?
    :)

    I've found that using no flash and having a diffused light source, 4-6 feet away, works well.
     
  9. DJCoinz

    DJCoinz Majored in Morganology

    Make yourself something like this:
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    It works very well to get rid of unwanted reflections and it brings out the cameo/frost on proof and prooflike coins. I made this over a year ago now and I would be hurting without it.
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    Example:
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  10. dreamer94

    dreamer94 Coin Collector

    Is that the bottom of a milk carton?
     
  11. DJCoinz

    DJCoinz Majored in Morganology

    Nope. It's 2 large sheets of paper.
     
  12. Daggarjon

    Daggarjon Supporter**

    I LOVE the image of the cent! very nice! Not matter what i try, i cant take pics of coins! i will end up relying on my scanner when i need it . Not as good, but shoudl get the job done.
     
  13. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    It's a PF-66 in an NGC multi-coin holder.
    I submitted both my '52 and '53 proof sets as much to see what multi-coin holder were like as to get the coins graded.
    They surprised me with how large they are (7.5" x 4".) I didn't really think about it; I just went for it.
    Take that into consideration if you go for the 5-coin holders.
    I expected to overpay for the grading (I didn't think the coins were that good.)
    The two half dollars saved me. The '52 came out PF-66 and the '53 came out PF-65 Cameo.

    What no one has answered yet is my question about the basic nature of older modern proofs.
    Are they inherently less "awesome" than the newer ones like the cent above?
     
  14. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    I've taken some picks buy just putting them on the table. This is an example

    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/coins/ikes/ike_1976_s.jpg
    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/coins/ikes/ike_reserve_1976_s_clad_02193.png
    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/coins/asa_2007_proof_obverse.png


    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/coins/asa_2007_proof_rev.2.jpg
    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/coins/ase_2005_obv_proof_color_fixed_sm.jpg

    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/coins/ase_2006_proof_rev_lg.1.jpg
    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/coins/ase_2006_proof_obv_lg.3.jpg

    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/images/proofsets/1982_proof_obv.png
    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/images/proofsets/1982_proof_rev.png

    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/images/proofsets/proof_set_2_1963_obverse_quarter_1.jpg
    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/images/proofsets/proof_set_2_1963_obverse_3.jpg
    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/images/proofsets/proof_set_3_1963_cent_reverse_1.jpg
    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/images/proofsets/proof_set_3_1963_quarter_obverse_1.jpg
    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/images/proofsets/proof_set_1979_cent_obverse_1.jpg
    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/images/proofsets/proof_set_1979_cent_reverse_1.jpg
    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/images/proofsets/proof_set_1979_half_obverse_1_sm.png

    etc

    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/images/proofsets/proof_set_1982_dime_obverse_1_sm.png
    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/images/proofsets/proof_set_1982_dime_obverse_1.jpg
    [​IMG]
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    There is one primary difference kanga. With the older Proofs, typically prior to '73, the chances of getting cameo coins was slim. Only new dies or refinished dies would produce the cameos, but the mint just kept on using the dies long after the sand blasted finish which produced the cameo was worn out. That produced what we call brilliant Proofs.

    Starting in '73 the mint changed this practice and would produce only Proof coins with the cameo effect. As the years progressed from there the quality and cameo effect of the coins gradually increased.
     
  16. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    I just got done writing that

    http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/proofs.html
     
  17. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    I lucked out.
    Between the two proof sets only one coin got labeled "cameo".
    Fortunately it was the '53 half.
    If there was one coin that would really benefit me by being cameo, it would have to be one of the halves.
     
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