Daniel Carr ?

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  1. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

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  3. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Academic discussions require intellectual honesty and a worthy topic, this topic misses on both marks. Dan Carr and CAC are the two topics were supposedly intelligent people go off the rails the most.

    Trying to pretend that the ANA opinion wouldn't hold significant weight in court or that it is meaningless is not being intellectually honest, neither is just dismissing it like it's am equal to opinions being put forth by others. Trying to pretend that it doesn't matter that it has been essentially a decade with not even so much as a knock it off letter like that means nothing is not being intellectually honest.

    If it was 2012 there could have been an academic discussion, it's 2019 with multiple dismissed complaints and people still literally saying the same things as 7 years ago because they feel that's how it should be or that's how they want it to be.

    The academic value of any of this ended half a decade ago, it's time to start accepting the facts. Some at least have the intellectual honesty to say things like "I wish", "I feel", "I would rather", "I don't like" and so on
     
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  4. Santinidollar

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  5. EyeAppealingCoins

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  6. Chiefbullsit

    Chiefbullsit CRAZY HORSE

  7. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    Oh, boo hoo. You don't like hucksters, and you've defined DC as a huckster, so he's obviously from your little blub 'bad'. So DC has offended your sensibilities and you're out to save the numismatic world from the various idiots who have or might get one in their mitts and, horrors, ask someone what it is, 'cause it looks like something that might be valuable? So you are out to cure numismatic of this terrible scourge?

    Someone's gonna be seriously harmed because of his chicanery??? Ain't no chicanery here.

    You are simply showing yourself to be a self-interested biased person. You are probably more dangerous to the numismatic world than DC is with his coins and tokens.
     
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  8. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Haha.. I just quoted myself :wacky:
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  9. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    It's a pretty good show so far. But I can boil it down for you. (spoiler alert):

    One person here thinks he's George, the dragon slayer and that the numismatic world is the victim, losing possible collectors to the dragon's (Daniel Carr) terrible chicanery and having the whole coin collecting world (the villages and cities that the healthy numismatic community represents) be sacrificing their own peoples and moralities to satisfy this dragon's insatiable appetite for profiteering off classical coinage designs. So George goes to be the hero, evermore revered, to slay this dragon. The venue is a thread or two (and maybe more, since George is determined only he can slay this dragon) on Cointalk, where some profess that the dragon is either not dangerous, it's actually more like a pet, and they like having him around as he brings them numismatic joy or satisfaction, or where some just say the dragon is a slight bother, trampling thru their gardens at times, and some crying that he's really a naughty one who needs to be re-homed further away where he can't be seen (stick to non-US coinage designs and don't use real coinage as his base). George, however, knows he can be the hero ....

    and so we are where we are. Enjoy the show.
     
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  10. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    Everyone who thinks Daniel Carr's fantasy date over-strikes are a problem and the beginning of the end to this hobby should pay more attention to the real issues like the crap that is washing up on shore from the pacific rim. These are the actual counterfeits that are meant to deceive collectors and could be the beginning of the end. Look at the work that @Jack D. Young is doing to uncover what appears to be a very talented counterfeiter(s) who's work is so deceiving the TPG's are being fooled. These are the true threats not DC over-strikes. Wake up people!!!!
     
  11. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    You’re absolutely right about that!! It all seems to come down to: “I think it should be illegal, and I’m mad that it isn’t.”
    I could write a whole list of things that fit that criteria. I know this, complaining about it incessantly isn’t helpful. Just annoying.
     
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  12. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I feel that most have posted an opinion on the topic. It's not worth the time to keep reading the same opinions. It would take a week to read all that has been posted.

    I do feel that some folks post threads on the topic to just stir the pot. I guess that's ok. Gives us something to read.
     
  13. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    Perhaps you should consult a dictionary. I have no financial interest or self interest in his pieces. I think you and Baseball et al. would be better served studying for the verbal reasoning section of the SAT rather than wasting time trying to be keyboard warriors.
     
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  14. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    I have problems with all counterfeits, and all counterfeiters are equally worthy of scorn. I find it incredibly hypocritical to pretend to be against counterfeits while praising domestic operations. It reeks of racism. At least U.S. laws apply domestically even if the same prohibitions are meaningless and unenforceable abroad.
     
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  15. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    lolz. Perhaps you should be the one consulting the dictionary. You seem to use terms so loosely.
     
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  16. robec

    robec Junior Member

    OMG, now you're really reaching........the race card? I've read a lot of idiotic responses to these DC threads, but this one is the topper.
     
  17. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Are you actually Eye Appealing Coins the coin shop out of Hillard, Ohio or are you just using that shops name?
     
  18. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    Why is it okay for Carr but not the Chinese? There are plenty of Chinese fantasy dates that are dismissed as counterfeits outright. Perhaps some of those are struck over other coins. The effect and threat to the hobby is the same for fake dates. The Chinese seem to elicit animus from many that love Carr.
     
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  19. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    I'm not affiliated with that shop. Is there someone in Ohio using that exact name? If so, maybe Doug, @GDSMJP will add characters to my username to distinguish it.
     
  20. robec

    robec Junior Member

    Is Britain, or Norway or France flooding the US market with counterfeits? Name another country that is other than China.
     
  21. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    Not to the same degree. The vast majority of threads I see slamming counterfeits address pieces from Asia and usually China when a country of origin is specified. Chinese anti-counterfeit threads seem to generate as much animus as Carr threads.

    There are counterfeits from other countries including Russia, Romania, and domestic issues (even if you don't believe Carr pieces fall within that category).
     
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