pre 1501 AD coins with dates

Great comments on the coins. Their "mint marks" weren't just a letter like the last few centuries but a fine display of heraldry. So cool.

 

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From the Bingen mint. Relatively well struck. I may need to place
this piece in bowl of distilled water and then a soak in acetone.

 

From the Bacharach mint.

 

From the Riehl mint. One of the very few I've actually bought at
a show. 95%+ Are bought from auctions or dealer price lists.

 

From the Riehl mint. The 1436 -1438 Goldguldens are an interesting series
of coins. Of the 20+ pieces that are listed in Levinson's book about half of
them are collectible. Patiently waiting for them to appear is necessary.
Many will be in nice AU or better condition. The pieces that have such as this
piece puzzle me. Gold coins were a store of value during these times. Rarely
would a coin circulate. The goldguldens would represent a month or more
wages. Merchants for the most part could not give change if one were presented
for merchandise. I may be wrong in my assumptions.

 

From the Riehl mint. The condition of this coin is what you will most
likely encounter for the early dated (1436-1438) goldguldens.

 

Always beauties! Really like that last gold one. I went to a coin show yesterday and picked up the last 2 3¢ nickels I needed. No holes but proof onlys are hard to find with holes or even wear. So, I opted for the "used" variety of each.


Sorry, big pictures

 

Two really nice pieces. How long have you been working on your
Three Cent Nickel set? Besides the ones with holes, are you working
on any other sets? There is a monthly show about 100 miles from
me. I attend 1-2 a year. 10-15 dealers, one who has some nice stuff
and the rest not so much. Then once a year there is a 35-45 dealer
show in the same place. I've been going for several years to this
one as well. I don't ever remember seeing anything like the two
pieces you picked up. Have you checked the 1878 to see if it is the
8/7 ? Don't apologize for the big pictures, they show the details of
the coins much better.

 

My Moms hometown/ Koln

So one would have to work for a month to earn a goldgulden Most have been for mininum wage earners...
Wonder why they would not use '1437" instead of MDDDDXXXVII, someone at the mint should have figured that out surely.
Actually, Koln goldguldens are tough in true MS. I have a MS-64 Theodor Von Mors/ MS-63 Friedrich Von Saarewerden/ both are not perfect MS. BUT....from Hungary I have Goldguldens that are perfect FDC/ strike/ wear.

 

I was just making a guess about the goldgulden and wages. It could have
been more or less. Modern Arabic numerals were first used on coins in 1424
in Switzerland. The Netherlands started in 1474. Germany started in 1457.
Use of Roman numerals stayed around through the start of the 1500's. In the
1400's most people never traveled far from home. Mostly merchants, scholars
and royalty traveled more than a few miles from their homes. Mint masters rarely traveled away from their home mint, so the adoption of the modern Arabic numerals was a slow process. From 1436 -1438 Koln/Cologne struck goldguldens. High grade ( XF-AU ) coins do exist but I am not aware of any mint state/FDC
examples. The only other gold gulden issued by Koln is in the year 1491. Two
varieties exist, one with a medieval/bow tie "4" the other with the modern version. I am not aware of the availability of high grade pieces for these issues. Going back to the numbers, the style of the "4" along with the number "5" written as "7" with little nubs at top and the number "7" written as an upside down "V". Examples can be seen in posts 180 and 193 of this thread. I hope I
cleared up some of the confusion I started. If any one has a question please
do not hesitate to ask. Thank you for showing so much interest in this thread.
I will finish posting the rest of my collection of Early Dated coins soon. There
are several that I am proud to be the current custodian of.

 

I found a heavily corroded 1793 Large Cent in a 25¢ junk box in 1963 and that started me on the holed type set and it wasn't even holed. I knew I could not afford nice early types and I was way too impatient to wait to accumulate money for a coin. So, I avidly searched for the rare and scarce coins with holes in them. I was picky and did not want plugged, big and costly mistake. I didn't realize for years that some coins were always going to be plugged, like the 1796 Half Cents and the other seldom found and highly sought. From 1963 on, I was always buying the scarcer dates and not caring about the commons. In 1998 when I joined eBay, I found that the commons could be bought for a very reasonable price. So I started to put together a holed set of everything, every metal. Gold $10 and $20 are Very seldom found holed. $5 down to $1 are easier to find but I like the $1 and $3 the best. After all these years I still need several of them plus a bunch of other denominations, too.
The 1877 and 1878 are the worst of those I have ever seen, too. The 1878 date area is too dirty to be able to see if over 7.
I'm in Omaha, so our monthly show is about 20 minutes away. Bigger shows I don't attend much anymore as just too far to drive. I know dealers and I hear about things I might be interested in. Then, a phone call or an email usually takes care of business.

 

That's a great history for your collection. You must have a large
collection. Maybe you could share some pics of your gold coins.
Do you have these in an album, i.e. 7070, or do you keep them
in flips.? Is there a type you don't have? As you stated before,
if only they could talk!! Can't wait to see the next treasure.

 

From the Hochst mint. I like the way time has reacted with the
impurities in the gold and what may be silver and copper. The
orange color gives it character.

 

From the Riehl mint. This is a very rare variation where the trefoil in the
left image is pointing up, in other words two at the bottom and one at the top.
Compare with the following image I-28a.

 

This piece from the Riehl mint. This is the more common of
the two varieties. Common in this instance is relative,
I-28a approximately 6-10 known. I-28b 2-3 known.

 

Nice ones!
I think the goldgulden where .998 gold (almost 24carat)
Would have been nice to pick up a freshly minted one, hot off the press.

 

From the Cleve mint. this is the first AD dated coin with a
partial date, per Levinson. The date reads "XXXVI". This
one from the Cervin collection.

 

The collection is fairly large but remember it is full of holes. I collect holed and creatively destroyed coins. I have only a few holed gold coins. I have several jewelry and ex-jewelry pieces. I am missing several types as they have mostly been repaired and just do not appeal to me. I like looped ones but so many have had their loop removed. Now they are just "details" coins. No fun there. I think a type set of them would be kind of cool. I have a start. I keep my cullection in manila envelopes in double row boxes in a chest at a bank. It is costly but it is big enough for my wife and I to crawl into, not that we do. I forgot to show small cents. Here are a couple and then some gold.

 

Don't you mean Flanders ?

 

I think I saw this thread when @tibor first announced it but I then lost touch with it until today. What a remarkable collection ! I am surprised (and impressed at) how many are in decent condition after all these years.

I collect European silver and base metal from 1500-1700. I have a few coins before 1500 but mostly undated. However here is a 1494 Berne Guldiner from Switzerland.