2018 silver eagle, possible doubling? or could be die deterioration. Thoughts?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Sarah Keele, Dec 30, 2018.

  1. Sarah Keele

    Sarah Keele Member

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    Guys, I keep going back and forth on this, so apologies if I've posted another one of those great examples of worthless "doubling". At the very least this will be educational for me as I'm still very new to this. I think I only got lucky with my 1984d lincoln cent ddo. Also, sorry for the upside down photos, I can post better ones if needed and better lit ones for the full obverse and reverse faces of the coin. There's no listing on this one anywhere I've looked, so I certainly won't hold my breath. All the possible "spreads" I'm seeing are on the southern most end of the coin, nothing happening in the IGWT or Liberty of in the face or upper torso, though I could have missed something. It's all in the date, the feet the mintmark (w)? the bottom sun ray, just all over the bottom area in general. Nothing on the reverse, haven't put a magnet to it or weighed it, but the orientation is correct. Anyway, before I type your eyes out, what are your thoughts on what's going on here? @Rick Stachowski ?
     
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  3. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

  4. Sarah Keele

    Sarah Keele Member

    Thank you!!
     
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  5. enamel7

    enamel7 Junior Member

    Definitely MD.
     
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  6. Collecting Nut

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  7. Sarah Keele

    Sarah Keele Member

    Thank you guys! Maybe one day I'll be as good at differentiating between the two as each of you. It all is a bit confusing sometimes for a newby, but I'm slowing figuring these things out.
     
  8. Santinidollar

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    Nice picture presentation.
     
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  9. Sarah Keele

    Sarah Keele Member

    Why Thank you! I gathered from reading around in the forums that was a pet peeve of many.
     
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  10. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    Yes, great pictures. I agree with MD. All the MD is on the "north" end of all 4 numbers of the date and on some letters of IGWT, again, the north side.

    IMHO, this means either the coin slipped in its collar during the strike, or the die did (most likely).

    Die Deterioration Doubling, on the other hand, would manifest itself by showing on maybe both sides of a number or letter, or the east side of one number and the north side of an adjacent number. There are many ways for both MD and DDD to occur, and I do not claim to be an expert.

    Maybe a expert forum member could elucidate in a better way, or correct me if I'm wrong...Spark
     
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  11. Sarah Keele

    Sarah Keele Member

    Ah thank you for the further explanation, I thought MD had to have a sliding texture to it, like this penny does for example: 20181127_152524.jpg
    so is it not always the case?
     
  12. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    No.

    The phrase I see used most often is "flat and shelflike". Another helpful piece of info is that die doubling adds to the design, while mechanical/machine doubling subtracts from the design. Your ASE exhibits this type of subtraction and is clearly flat and shelflike.

    Every coin needs individual assessment. I have LMC's from '83-85 ( and other years ) that have strike errors to lettering that appear to "scallop" them...a kind of shearing during the strike, similar to your "WE" picture. Strike errors of this sort are very common and command no premium, rather, you could say they were damaged as they were struck. This is synonomous to weak strikes where all parts of the design are not produced, the best example of this is the flat hair sections on Abe's head among other anomalies.

    lincolncentresource.com, error-ref.com and doubleddie.com have info with illustrations that explain it better, perhaps, but that's about it in a nutshell...hope this helps...Spark
     
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  13. Sarah Keele

    Sarah Keele Member

    This is very helpful! Thank you!
     
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