How many Ancient Greek Cities can we get?

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  1. Pavlos

    Pavlos You pick out the big men. I'll make them brave!

    Those were covered in the C section.

    Well actually we are not doing L right now it is the letters I, J and K at the moment. Letter L will be in 2 days. But well, beautiful coins all so I can't complain :D.
     
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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    KOLCHIS
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    Kolchis 5th-4th C BCE BI hemidrachm 11.5mm 1.8g Archaic female head possibly Georgian goddess Dali - Bull head border SNG Cop 98


    KEBREN
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    Kebren AR Obol Archaic hd Apollo L - Hd Ram in Incuse sq 5th C BCE 7.65mm 0.64g SNG Ash 1086


    KAMARINA
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    Sicily Kamarina AR litra 11mm 0.56g 461-440 BCE Nike flying swan below within wreath Athena spear shield SNG ANS 1212-6


    KIOS
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    Bithynia Kios 250 BCE AE11 1.06g Laureate hd Mithra r Kantharos 2 grape bunches hanging K-I below within a wreath SNG Cop 382


    KENTORIPAI
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    SICILY Kentoripai Æ Hexas 16mm 3.0g 344-336 BCE Persephone r grain ear plow w bird two pellets Calciati III BMC Sicily 12ff


    KYZIKOS
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    Mysia Kyzikos AE12 1.2g 400-3rd C BCE Kore Soteira - Tripod crown Tunny SNG France 430 BMC 141-30


    KOLOPHON
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    Iona Kolophon AR Tetartemorion 530-520 BCE Archaic Apollo Incuse Punch 0.15g 4.5mm- SNG Kayhan 343


    KALAKTE
    Sicily Kalakte AE unit 2nd C BCE Head Athena in Helmet - Owl rev RARE.JPG
    Sicily Kalakte AE unit 2nd C BCE Head Athena in Helmet - Owl rev RARE


    KAINON
    Sicily Kainon AE Tetras 20mm 6.7g Griffin - Horse Prancing SNG COP 133.JPG
    Sicily Kainon AE Tetras 20mm 6.7g Griffin - Horse Prancing SNG COP 133
     
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  4. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    Maybe you know the reference?
    Ionia, Kolophon, ca 350 - 330 BC; Æ 14
    13 x 14 mm, 2.69 g
    Obv.: Laureate head of Apollo right; symbol in field
    Rev.: Horseman galloping right, holding spear. Magistrate name KEΣI(..) in ex.
    Reference: ?
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  5. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    Larissa, Thessaly; 400-334 B.C. AR drachm (6.1 gm). Obv: Head of the nymph Larissa facing slightly left, hair in ampyx, wearing necklace. Rev: Horse standing right, preparing to lie down; small plant beneath. “ΛAPIΣ” above,“AIΩN” below. Reverse a bit double-struck. Lorber, Hoard, Group L-III, 61–3; BCD Thessaly II 325; HGC 4; BMC 61.
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  6. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    Laodicea, Phrygia. After 133 BC. AR Cistophoric Tetradrachm (12.6 gm). Obv: Cista mystica with serpent emerging; all within ivy wreath. Rev: LAO, bowcase with serpents; AT I monogram above, winged caduceus to right. BMC Phrygia pg. 280, 13 var. (monogram); SNG von Aulock__ ; SNG Copenhagen__. EF. Unpublished with this monogram. First appearance of this monogram was in CNG auction Triton VI, 13 Jan 2003, #425. This is apparently the second known example.
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  7. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    BITHYNIA, Kios. 3rd century BC. AR Tetradrachm (28mm, 17.01 gm, 2h). In the name and types of Lysimachos of Thrace. Obv: Diademed head of the deified Alexander right, with horn of Ammon. Rev: ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΛΥΣΙΜΑΧΟΥ, Athena Nikephoros seated left, left arm resting on shield, spear behind; club to outer left, monogram to inner left; in exergue, bow in bowcase and monogram or torch. Thompson ?; Müller ?; Meydancikkale 2668(?); SNG Berry 451(?). Obverse darkly toned. Cf. Thompson (Essays Robinson) 180(?). Müller 409(?).
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  8. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    Kibyra, PHRYGIA. Circa 166-84 BC. AR Drachm (3.0 gm, 5h, 16mm). Obv: Draped male bust right, wearing crested Boeotian helmet. Rev: Horseman galloping right, holding couched spear and shield; grape cluster behind, KEΔ and KIBYPA below. KEΔ is not a monogram in the "usual" sense. It is a number asserting the numberof drachms in that production run; in this case, 1,000,000. F. De Luca, Monograms on Kibyra’s coins: names or numbers?, Revue Numismatique OMNI no.12 (6-2018), pp. 54-84. BMC Phrygia pg. 133, 14 var. Kibyra.jpg
     
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  9. PeteB

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    CILICIA, Kelenderis. Circa 410-375 BC. AR Stater (9.5 gm, 1h, 21mm). Obv: Nude youth, holding whip, dismounting from horse rearing r. Rev: KE, Goat kneeling l., head right. SNG Levante -; SNG Paris 75 var.
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  10. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    CARIA, Kindya. Circa 500 BC. AR Samian Tetrobol (1.9 gm). Obv: Head of Ketos (sea monster) left. Rev: Stellate pattern within latticed frame in incuse. Kagan/Kritt, "The Coinage of Kindya," NC 1995, 1-3; Rosen 617 (Uncertain Caria). Superb EF, wonderful head of a Ketos with pointed ear, long snout, pinnate mane, jaws agape and protruding tongue.
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  11. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    IONIA, Klazomenai. Mid-late 4th century BC. Æ 10mm (1.48 g, 6h). Obv: Helmeted head of Athena right. Rev: ΚΛΑ, head of Ram, right. BMC 22, 43; SNG Copenhagen 29; von Aulock__. Extremely rare. Klazomenai.jpg
     
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    PeteB Well-Known Member

    CILICIA. Korykos. Circa 1st Century BC. Æ (21mm, 6.38 gm, 12h). Obv: Turreted head of Tyche right; ΣA behind. Rev: ΚΩΡΥΚΙΩΤ, Hermes standing left, holding phiale and caduceus; YB/ME left. SNG Levante 791 var. (letters); SNG France 1094; SNG Copenhagen 119 var. (same); SNG von Aulock 5679 var. (same); BMC Lycaonia etc. pg. 66, 1 var. (same)
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  13. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    MOESIA, Kallatis. 3rd-2nd century BC. Æ 15mm (2.81 g). Helmeted bust of Athena right / Round shield, bow left, dagger right. AMNG I 269 var.; SNG BM Black Sea -; SNG Stancomb -. Rare. KallatisShieldBowDagger.jpg
     
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  14. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

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    Carian Islands. Kos
    280-250 BC.
    AE12. Veiled female head right/crab with club below
    Sear Greek 5011 (350-300 BC). Hoover Islands Kos 1337.
    A cute little Greek coin
    Rare. Only one on vcoins and MA-Shops combined, much worse condition for a much higher price.
    obtained from Warren at Augustus Coins
    @Valentinian - thanks!
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  15. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    you just vanquished the "K"s
     
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  16. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    CARIA. Knidos. (Circa 300-225). ARTetrobol (2.0 gm, 11h, 14mm). Obv: Diademed bust of Artemis right; quiver over shoulder. Rev: KNIΔIΩN ΔΑΜOKΛHΣ(?). IΔOKΛHΣ(misspelling of the name Diokles, a magistrate known for this issue?). Tripod. Cf. Nordbø 570? Cf. SNG Keckman 196(?). KnidosTetrobol.jpg
     
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  17. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    MYSIA, Kyzikos. Circa 390-341/0 BC. AR Tetradrachm (14.30 gm, 1h, 23mm) Obv: Head of Kore Soteira left, wearing single-pendant earring, hair in sphendone covered with a veil, two grain ears in hair; ΣΩTEIPA above (weak, but present in full). Rev: Head of lion left, mouth open with tongue protruding; below, tunny left; KY-ZI around, hydria behind. Pixodarus Type 2, Group C; von Fritze II 23, pl. V, 32; SNG France 400-1; SNG von Aulock 7339; SNG Copenhagen 53; SNG Fitzwilliam 4151; Kraay & Hirmer 719. KyzikosTet.jpg
     
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  18. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    AEOLIS, Kyme. Circa 350-250 BC. Æ (16mm, 4.55 gm, 12h). Dionysios, magistrate. Obv: Eagle standing right. ΔΙΟΝΥCΙΟC (magistrate) behind. Rev: K-Y, one-handled vase. SNG Copenhagen 50.
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  19. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Aeolis, Kyme AEOLIS, KYME.jpg AEOLIS, KYME 2.jpg
     
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  20. lehmansterms

    lehmansterms Many view intelligence as a hideous deformity

    The reason I brought up Provincial Roman coins in my original comment was not (as people seem to think) to conflate Roman Provincial coinage with Greek (although a pretty strong case could be made that the definition is at least a very gray area). It was because there is a fairly accurate and well-known count of Provincial coinage issuing cities and authorities (~600+). What I tried to say (and thought I did say) was that if so many places were still coining in the Roman era, how many more Greek coin source-places there must have been in the pre-Roman period when the Greek city states were basically a large and non-homogeneous collection of un-associated, relatively small towns and villages planted in any and every possible geographically separated location - and generally at each others throats most of the time.

    As for the "C" vs. "K" thing, again, someone is confusing Roman and Greek usages.
    The Latin alphabet did not have a letter "K" in antiquity and so used "C" exclusively for the K and occasionally as a hard G sound (Caius/Gaius), never, ever as an "S" as in our scrambled English usages where you have "cat" vs "ice", etc. - eg: In Latin pronunciation: Ioo-lee-us Kai-sar.
    In Greek, "C" (the "lunate sigma") is always valued as an "S".
    So in going about creating an exclusively Greek roster of coinage cities, you have started right off using Latin spellings - IOW, you have already gone way off course on the third letter of the alphabet by confusing Latin spellings beginning with C's of Greek cities which in Greek should be either "K's" or "Σ's" (S's) depending on the sound intended.
    If you really want το create a roster of Greek cities (and are ambivalent about or opposed to including Roman references), don't you think you would have done better to begin your alphabetical list of purely Greek cities using the Greek alphabet? Α, Β, Γ, Δ, Ε (or Є), Ζ, Η, Θ, Ι, Κ, Λ, Μ, Ν, Ξ, Ο, Π, Ρ, Σ (or C), T, Y (or V) Φ, Χ, Ψ, Ω.
     
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  21. Pavlos

    Pavlos You pick out the big men. I'll make them brave!

    I find that if you convert Greek letters to Latin letters the the words should be written in Latin style as well. If I am going to use the Greek alphabet for this purpose, 80% can not read it, especially if I don't use capital letters. Also, you get an endless discussion about writing style. Ph and Ch for example are all Latin style. Did you know it is originally, Filippos II? And not Philip II. Yet I have never seen someone on this forum write "Filippos II tetradrachm" using the Greek style. Same with a name Christus, it is originally: Xristos. Yet nobody in the Latin world uses that name, even worse nobody can pronounce that. People with Latin alphabet will pronounce it like X ristos, a X in Greek is pronounced as a G and not as a X like in the Latin alphabet. Then actually a city like Chalkis should be written like Xalkis, yet I have never seen anyone here write it using that Greek style. Then why do people crossuse the Greek style K with Latin style C? Why do people use for the most part Latin style city names but sometimes Greek?

    In other words this discussion can go on for a long time. So I have chosen the Latin style because I am writing the cities in the Latin alphabet and it is more commonly used on this forum. By the way I am Greek I understand the Greek language no need for language explanations.
     
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