Take a walk with me on the cheap side

Ahh, a gold Septim. Had a bunch, until I bought that house in Bravil...:kewl:

 

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I hear the septim is now legal tender in Ecuador!

 

watch out!! you will get the notgeld bug!! Every town and city in german during WWI and a bit after minted coins or printed bills. Although its not my main collecting focus, it has become a side line for me to try and collect as many different types of bills and coins from this time as I can.

The wildman and witches was big for this town, each town that minted coins or printed bills used themes popular to the people there, either legends, stories, famous people, political themes, social themes. Here is one of the notes this town printed up:



I think my favorite notgeld series is still Duren, below is one of the issues from that city:



I love the Serienschein (series notes), below is a series of notes from the town of Altona that show the often whimsical 'everyman' nature of the bills and coins:

 

Interesting denomination - the 3 Mark coins, issued until the early 1930s, were commonly called T(h)aler. Of course the name originally came from Joachimsthal (Jáchymov, CZ), but calling a 3M note from Thale "Thaler" is a nice idea. :thumb:

Christian

 

Thale-Harz had some great coins and notes. One of the more outstanding examples of municiple issues of the time. The note says:

Es grüne die Tanne, es wachse das Erz, Gott schenke uns allen ein fröhliches Herz!

Think that means: It greens the firs, it grows the ore, God give us all a merry heart!

it also says: gültig bis 3 Monat nach öffentlicher Aufforderung zur Einlösung!

valid until 3 months after public request for redemption!

I've said it before, I'll say it again...Germans loved the craft and concept of money and medals.

 

First I began coveting Ancient coins- now Notgeld currency- This forum may be hazardous to my pocket book!!

Andy

 

you are telling me i am 50 k in the hole already so i have decided to take the monthof feb off seeing i wasnt able to take the whole year off i will dod it one month at a time

 

Thats why the cheap side is great...notgeld, much of it, is kinda cheap...just a bit hard to find guys who deal in it save the odd coin or bill here and there.

 

Pretty much right. In case you want to delve deeper into German - "es grüne", "es wachse" etc. express wishes. Similarly to "God save the Queen" in English which does not mean that God saves the Queen but that God will hopefully etc. So I'd say something like "May the fir green, may the ore grow, may God give us ..."

Yes, of course, like nobody else ... What makes, in my opinion, a huge difference is that almost every notgeld coin/note is a local issue, made to be used for a limited period of time. Thus the designers and issuing bodies did not have to take too many "political" considerations (does this design represent our city best, could it be offensive? etc.) into account. Also, many of the notes were not issued to be used in circulation anyway; they were sold almost like souvenirs to locals and others. And who would want to buy a dull souvenir?

Christian

 

very cool, thanks for the clarification on the German, I have to admit I use a guy on another forum who is from Germany and can do it far faster and better than I can with a translator, mainly because a lot of the dialects on these bills confound a translator.

Also, you describe exactly what I love about these bills and coins...its like a free for all, anything goes type of situation...like the answer to the question:

"what would happen if everyone and their dog in a society suddenly designed and minted / printed their own money?" Such a wide variety of themes and styles.

Like you say, many of these were never meant to be used although I do have some coins and bill that were circulated. I have recently been going further back, closer to the beginning of the war, 1914, 1915, 1916 and looking for earlier Notgeld that WAS made to be circulated. Not only are these bills more expensive, they are FAR more plain. Some are just hand written, others are just very plain paper with a little text on them...far from what they would become a few years later...and then there are the hyperinflation bills...both Reichsbank and notgeld.

Recently I found and purchased this album for storing notgeld, as you know... about as fast as they came about, they became collectors items, in fact it seems the collecting of banknotes truly kickstarted at this time...





While I have you here, how about help translating this little notgeld bill that seems to be ABOUT notgeld and shows albums like the one above:



It would save me time, if it not large enough, I can post a larger version.

 

That is funny - first, the "note" itself, but also because, errm ...

http://www.cointalk.org/showpost.php?p=303079&postcount=10

Christian

 

Oh man, I forget I must have posted that before :lol: sorry about that, I have so many of these and often post for translation or just to show before I am ready to post the bill on my site and I must have forgotten I did this one...thanks!!

"I, Heinrich Appel, issue this notgeld in order to make up for the lack of small change in my house" ... And on the other side: "The end of the validity period will be announced 24 hours in advance by ringing a bell on the market. It is best to not accept this money at all since it is not covered by anything but my honest face. Any imitation is considered mean. More than one million will not be issued."

now that is great!

 

I like the Philippine coins. (ALL, I want them ALL.)

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r106/amenset/phil2.jpg

 

Funny you should say that! I picked this up at an estate auction 2 years ago



and included in the lot were 6 fifty centavo coins from the philipines. Dates are: 1944 (3), 1945 (2), 1921. I know nothing about them and have no idea what they are worth. Got the whole lot for $100. Hope I did good! (all the counterfeit talk on this forum has me freaked out!)

Henrik

 

Want them all? What a coincidence, I have them all! 99% of them, at least. Including most of the keys. I'll start a new thread later, though.

 

Henrik,
I love the chop marks on that 8 Reales coin. Not sure what it's worth but very cool!

Andy

 

Mahalo andy!

I also loved the marks on the coin - I was really gunning for the 8 reales coin at the auction and the 50 centavos coins were kinda a "oh - it comes with those too?" deal. The centavos are neat - but they are a tad too modern for my tastes :smile At least they are silver!

Henrik

 

Here is a cheap one I got recently:



Brandenburg Prussia Friedrich Wilhelm III. 1797-1840. Bronze medal 1840. On the occation of his death, MEMORY medal for the guard Corps, medal by H. F. Brandt

There are gold, silver, and bronze versions of this medal, all pretty low numbers. Its not in the BEST of shape but I have seen examples that weren't as nice sell for 40+. I think this was a nice deal for a person who love portraits as this portrait is very nice.

Oh, and although more often than not I dont see coins and medals selling below worth on ebay much, more often they go over. Here and there you see and make good deals and get something for real cheap. I recently saw a 400 USD notgeld coin sell for 60 when it was listed incorrectly as a medal. I bid against another guy who got because he went higher than I could go... I thought it was a 90 dollar coin but it turns out it was a more rare variety...and this medal here, though not worth a whole lot in the first place, I got for roughly 10 bucks.

 

I have to add this one to the list, Estonia. It looks like they are doing the SOUTH FORTY line dance (Country line dance in Texas). cheryl

 

here is a cheap zinc coin with a pleasing design.