How do old certification numbers get deleted?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by fiddlehead, Dec 14, 2018.

  1. fiddlehead

    fiddlehead Well-Known Member

    I recently obtained a rare gold coin (a Charlotte issue) in a PCGS holder graded VF35. Searching through old heritage auction records I found the same coin in an NGC holder graded XF40 - the auction was in Sept 2016. When I tried to find the coin in the NGC registry it was "deleted". It is properly listed by PCGS currently. So, how do they know the coin was no longer in an NGC holder? It's a bummer because I was hoping to use it in an NGC registry set - after all, I do have the coin! haha.
     
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  3. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Perhaps there's other ways, but returning inserts seems most likely.
     
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  4. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Yup. If you are a responsible crack-out person, you return the inserts to the grading service so that they can remove the coin from their database and not further degrate the integrity of the population reports.

    The other way of getting a cert pulled is by pointing out that the same shows up several times with different valid certs to avoid something like what you see on this page when you scroll down to the PR67+ coins. This way doesn't appear to be terribly effective, however.
     
  5. fiddlehead

    fiddlehead Well-Known Member

    Hmm - turning in the info to the former TPG has got to be terribly inconsistent. If the coin was sent to PCGS in it's NGC holder I imagine they would inform NGC. My bet's on that. FWIW, the coin earned a CAC sticker as a PCGS 35 and it sold for less than the it did as an XF40 coin (sans CAC) in the older NGC holder. But then, times change so that may not mean much anyway. I do long for the days when NGC let me list my PCGS coins in their category registries - I'd like it even if they didn't give me any competitive points for the PCGS coins. Darn.
     
  6. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    PCGS and NGC don't bother to tell each other about coins they crossed. PCGS returns the previous label to the submitter though so they have the option to send the label to the other TPG and have it canceled. Not sure if NGC returns the labels or not.
     
  7. fiddlehead

    fiddlehead Well-Known Member

    Wow. Then someone had to go way out of their way to cancel that old certification number. Seems surprising to me. I have found old certs before on coins I owned, this is the first time I found a cancelled one. I do like the history records at Heritage.
     
  8. IBetASilverDollar

    IBetASilverDollar Well-Known Member

    Even though it seems pointless since the pop reports are so off over the years of people NOT doing it, the few times I've cracked I just dropped the certs in the mail. Took me 13 seconds and cost one stamp to do.

    Apparently the TPGs used to give incentive to return old labels with like a $1 credit or something per label. Wish they still did that.
     
  9. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    I think NGC offers a bounty for it in the form of a credit on your account.
     
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  10. fiddlehead

    fiddlehead Well-Known Member

    Well, even though I can't use the previous NGC certification in my NGC registry set, I was able to highjack the heritage pictures of the coin! Again, yay for Heritage records :)
     
  11. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    It's 50 cents a label I believe but half the time doesn't really seem to show up on the account.
     
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