Toning question

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Steve66, Nov 28, 2018.

  1. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Make no mistake - any shipwreck coin has been cleaned or treated before being sold. Including gold.

    That coin you show has absolutely, 100%, guaranteed, been cleaned or dipped at least once in its life. Probably more than once. No coin that old is going to be that white.
     
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  3. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    I thought so to. But the coin was TPG and described as MS-66, usually when coins are cleaned/ dipped that would be on slab as a fault. UNC/ details;cleaning/ dipping?
    John
     
  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Cleaning is not an automatic fault with third-party grading services. There is "market-acceptable" cleaning which is considered within normal boundaries for a particular issue, and then there is more recent, harsh, or UNacceptable cleaning which is considered a problem.
     
  5. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Thanks for that/ Lordmarcovan:)
    I have seen with Celtic coin hoards, how these are expertly "cleaned" to remove deposits etc. So, it all depends how the "cleaning" is done, makes sense.
     
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  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Not just how, but often when, as well. If a cleaning was not abrasive enough to leave marks on a coin, and that coin's surface is then given a generation or century or more to react to the environment, it generally becomes a bit more acceptable.
     
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  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    John, fully 80% of all older coins have been dipped. And yes that is a realistic number. And millions upon millions of them are in cleanly graded slabs. NGC and PCGS both dip coins themselves, and then slab and grade them. And they have both done this basically since they opened their doors for business. But it has only been since 2007 that they began advertising to do it for you.

    Dipping coins to remove toning is and always has been completely acceptable in the numismatic community. And dipping has been quite common for centuries, not just a few years. It was invented in Europe long before the US even existed.

    Now I think most folks are aware that the TPGs have been dipping coins since 2007, but far fewer of them are aware that they were doing it long before that as well as I stated above. The oldest known published confirmation of this were articles in Numismatic News and Coin World back in 1995. See below for a reference.

    PCGS and NGC Dipping Coins

    The Professional Coin Grading Service and the Numismatic Guaranty Corporation
    have confirmed that they have been dipping coins upon request. The coins are
    not marked on the slab as cleaned.

    References: Numismatic News, 8 Aug 1995, p. 1; Coin World, 18 Sep 1995,
    p. 1, 7.
     
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