Double Denominations

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by JCro57, Nov 28, 2018.

  1. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    I honestly cannot think of any other way - besides intentionally funny business by Mint employees - how a coin already struck by a set dies winds up being struck a second time by dies from a different denomination.

    The only other way I can think of is that after being struck inside the striking chamber, a struck coin somehow isn't fully out of the chamber and manages to be stuck in there somewhere and somehow. It would still have to be stuck in there while dies for a different denomination are replaced, and then would happen to come loose, fall back down into the Striking chamber, and become struck by different dies at the exact time a planchet meant to be struck by those dies failed to come inside the chamber. This scenario seems ridiculous. Plus there would also be an additional planchet now in the Striking chamber, and thus the previously struck coin would not have a dead-on strike from both dies; it would result in a strikethrough indentation, right?

    What other ways could double denominations be created without someone purposely throwing a struck coin into a pile of planchets waiting to be struck by different dies?
     
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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I prefer the term "Mint Employee Assisted"

    Also.. If you notice it's larger on smaller coins.
    - So Quarter struck on Nickel, Cent and Dime
    - Nickel struck on Cent and Dime
    - Cent struck on Dime
    It can't be the other way around because the larger coin won't fit into the smaller chamber.
     
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  4. SlipperySocks

    SlipperySocks Well-Known Member

    20181128_091651-1.jpg 20181128_091716.jpg This seems like a legitimate explanation to me but I do not know the process inside and out.
     
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  5. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    I actually just found that in my book from Fred Weinberg right after I posted my question

    For some reason I thought the bins for carrying away struck coins were not also used to transport unstruck planchets, thus would be ruled out
     
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  6. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    "the other way around" are assisted
    errors -

    As long as they are not current coinage
    (dated 2017 or 2018), in general, the
    Mint/Treasury isn't interested in them.
     
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  7. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Hi, Fred!

    What do you mean the Mint is "not interested" in them? Do you mean they don't demand them back?
     
  8. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    I am pretty sure I saw a dime on cent planchet before
     
  9. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I don't doubt it..
    Here are a 1 Cent on $1 Sac..
    And a 1 Cent on Quarter
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    20180814_142311-1.jpg
    I took these pictures at the Philadelphia Show... Yes ANA show ;)
     
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  10. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Those two coins above were taken
    at my table at the ANA.

    Those were made on purpose, right
    after all the publicity about the Sac.
    Quarter Mule came out.

    There's 8 sets known, so I assume there
    are probably 10 sets total.
     
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  11. SlipperySocks

    SlipperySocks Well-Known Member

    Unless it is a $1M Aluminum Cent......
     
  12. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    You okay with converting publicly owned assets to the private estate of a former government official? 'Cuz that's what that 1974-D thing was. In my state, we put people in prison for that.
     
  13. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Unless there is a current employee stealing
    coins, ('current leak') the Govt., again, in general,
    is interestedin 1933 $20's, 1964-D Peace Dollars, and
    1974 P & D Aluminum Cents.
     
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  14. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    I am pretty positive. Was slabbed by PCGS for several thousand on eBay. I will find it.
    How did they fit in the much smaller collar? Those coins aren't even bent.
     
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  15. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    They were hand-fed on to the collar.
     
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  16. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Ahhhhhhhhh
     
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  17. SlipperySocks

    SlipperySocks Well-Known Member

    Not sure what made you think that I was but, no, I am not any more okay with that than I am paying tens of thousands of dollars for planned errors made "the other way around". I am surprised they carry that much value knowing how they were made. Demand I guess, like the Wisconsin extra leafs?
     
  18. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Demand is about marketing.
    Supply is about crime.

    What could possibly go wrong, right?
     
  19. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Think I'll hang on to my David Carr '64-D.
     
  20. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    "One for you, one for me, and the rest we ADMIT TO EXISTING."
     
  21. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    I don't understand the context of why these were intentionally done. Were they sanctioned by the Mint, or was it done by a rogue Mint employee? If not sanctioned, why weren't they destroyed?
     
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