1814 Large Cent. Is it genuine?

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  1. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

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  3. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I am watching. Something looks off with that one.
     
  4. Michael K

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  5. C-B-D

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  6. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Could just be perspective due to the poor image and the slightly angled picture, but the 4 looks too small to me and the crosslet should extend equally above and below the bar, but on the OP coin it only seems to extend below it.
     
  7. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    That crosslet caught my eye as well, but on the later die states that upper part of the crosslet starts to disappear, as seen on the CoinFacts example. But I know it's all a guessing game with those blurry pics.
     
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  8. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Any other opinions?
     
  9. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    I like to look at side-by-side images- not pretty but things appear to line-up to me:
    1814.jpg
     
  10. jcm

    jcm Active Member

    Things do look like they line up, but something just seems "off" with this one. Is that a die crack on the neck?
     
  11. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Could be damage or a flan flaw. I'll post pics when it arrives. Should be tomorrow or Friday at the latest.
     
  12. Eduard

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    We will be waiting for the pictures:).
     
  13. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    At first I wasn't sure about the portrait but in comparison it looks good.
    The date and the stars looked fine and the denticles.
     
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  14. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    If it's real and I can conserve it with acetone and verdicare, then I got one of those "Eduard deals" on it. $142 for a high AU. Even as a details coin, a steal!
     
  15. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Does it require Verdi Care? Perhaps the reverse the photo is not crisp.
    Please post a before and after acetone photo, before the Verdi Care.
    Even XF-40 straight grade would be a monster.
     
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  16. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    I'll post before and after pics. The crust on the reverse... if it comes off and there are undamaged surfaces underneath, then I'm gold. PCGS and NGC are lenient with this series, which will help me if I send it in.
     
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  17. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    As it sits it looks like an AU details, Environmental Damage to me.
     
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  18. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    You'll know more with the coin in hand. I can't tell from the photos.
    Good details on the hair and LIBERTY which gets rubbed first, so maybe.
    Something going on with the cheek. And the reverse is a mystery right now.
     
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  19. Eduard

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    It looks really good, specially At that price!
    You are a serious contender, C-B-D.
     
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  20. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    The good news: It's genuine and it's probably UNC details.

    The bad news: The surfaces are completely roached. This little lady fell into the ground around the year 1815 and was recovered in 1825, probably.

    Step 1: Pics as I received it:
    DSCN9609-side.JPG

    Step 2: Pics after acetone (which revealed the hidden green). Someone likely treated this coin before. I took a toothpick and as lightly as I could, removed some of the whitish/green crust, then hit it again with acetone after taking this pic.
    DSCN9611-side.JPG

    Step 3: Two applications of Verdicare. I don't use Verdicare often, but I always do when an old copper has that whitish, light green, dried out crusty look to it. The coin is now conserved as best as I can do, and the surfaces are properly hydrated. I love it.
    DSCN9617-side.JPG

    Summary: For $142.50 shipped, I could not be happier! I've begun building another Dansco 7070 type set to fund next year's vacation, so it'll probably go in there for now. Today I ordered a similar looking AU details 1803 Draped Bust Cent from the same seller, for $155. It will get the same treatment as above, and should make a nice looking dark colored pair for my Dansco. Thank you everyone for the help!
     
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