How to Absolutely Ruin Cool Pieces of U.S. Mint History

The Smithsonian already has literal Airplane hangers full of stuff that never gets displayed because they have no room. A museum is generally the quickest way to make sure more things are just locked away in storage somewhere.

Surplus government stuff barring security concerns absolutely should be sold to recoup what they can of the tax payer cost of acquisition.

 

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And do you see the period at the end of your previous sentence? Just in case you're not familiar....

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/period

Now that we've cleared that up, let's take this one step further and revisit....

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/opinion

Now, an opinion certainly can differ from a suggestion, but in this case if we look at said statement in its greater context, it's quite clear it was made as a smarmy means of expressing your personal opinion on the matter. Nice deflective straw man though.

 

Me too!!!

 

I am not really trying to pick a side. Dan Carr's overstrikes are a fun and great addition to anyones collection. If one actually inspected some of his coins they would see that they are not to be confused with the original, and besides there is more documentation on his coins than just about every other coin that I would call a forgery. There are some Omega comes to mind. Nor, Has Dan ever tried to convince anyone that they are the real thing. Ya'll can bash him all you want. It's no gonna change anything. I have had many a conversation with the guy, he has been strait up every time, Not to mention Honest.

 

I was hoping to avoid this in this thread, but your laudatory post sang his praises just a bit too much. Comparing him to the criminal Omega seems appropriate.

Dude is a counterfeiter and should be shamed out of the hobby. Anyone who buys his forgeries is complicit in his criminality.

Alrighty, now, lets close this thread and continue about our business.

 

Yes an out in the open counterfeiter that has never been charged for years and years and years now who even the ANA dismissed RWBs complaint against him

 

I am kind of surprised that most of the comments here are "counterpoints" to a point I never even made.

What people do with their personal property is their business. Dan can say that "Joe Cronin from Buffalo sucks" if he wants to with a beautiful gold plated counter stamp on any coin he wants.

My original point - whether anyone likes it or not - is that by striking those feeder fingers with his Moonlight Mint press, he has done what is considered "damage" to these original Mint pieces. The same is true whether it is a coin die, a feeder finger, or a 1909-S VDB. And it applies to any original piece of any collectible. It doesn't matter if it looks cool or more attractive. Like it or not, it is "damaged", which equals "ruinned."

I simply said it is a shame he did it to all the pieces except one.

I never said people can't do what they want to their own property.

I never said the Mint should have saved them.

I never said the Mint shouldn't sell off surplus property.

This is the problem with social media. People don't take the time to read properly, they overreact to impress their online friends, they love drama, over-internalize everything, and become accusatory instead of asking for clarification. Gone are the days where people read for understanding, and now are the days where people love to quickly pounce and become rude and accusatory from the comfort and safety of their desktops isolated from the world.

 

Meh, For 10k it should come in a early release signed by mint official PCGS slab with gold CAC sticker.

 

Jcro, you only have to mention the company or the person, and people loose their minds.

Me included.

 

what or who is an rwb?

 

Roger W. Burdette. His username on several forums is RWB. He is the author of "The Renaissance of American Coinage", "From Mine to Mint" and many other award winning books. Any serious student of modern numismatics should read his entire catalogue, as they are the most thoroughly researched and accurate books we have. Some don't like him, but he has done more to dispel numismyth and shed historical light on numismatic history than almost anyone else alive. He rarely posts here, but he is a member.

 

Wow Dan Carr 2009 UHR coin limited edition superstrikes look nice, out of my budget though at 7000 dollars.

 

That's just your opinion. Some collectors of his liked it. To be honest it makes no difference either way. The historical significance of those is basically none. It's like saving the hammer for the pallets that carried bags around or the carts that wheeled things around. It's great that you're that enthusiastic about it, but you have to draw the line somewhere for what is and isn't historical and many people would think of them as a cool thing but if every single one was lost nothing historical was lost

 

@V. Kurt Bellman might like to add to this

 

I think we should let Kurt sleep some. I can smell the fumes , but so far no one has lit an explosive flame that could cause great harm to many. Please lets post quietly so all can be members tomorrow. TY. Jim

 

I know that the two sides will never meet, and will never be an easy subject around here. Dan's coins have always had a distinct look and that distinct look separates them from government issue coinage, I am not that fully research in his pieces, But I believe the over strikes are always a fantasy date. And should be easily detected.
As for the feeder finger I have seen them but have no actual interest in buying one, nor do I see them as being historic in any way.

 

Hopefully, I'm going to surprise Jim and calmly and simply state my opinion(s) and why I hold them.

1) I personally very much like Dan Carr. I've met him in person a few times and he is a kind and engaging fellow.

2) I like his overstrike fantasy date coins very much, AND (this is key) I accept that when I decide to collect them, as I have, I am taking upon myself, and my son, a longterm obligation to do everything in our power that they remain carefully labelled as to what they are, and are not.

3) I have also met RWB. He is a personal slob and a cat-hater. I have been a committed stray and feral cat rescuer. Spay and release, the whole shmeer. I have no use for any room into which I enter and find him there. He is one of the most revolting human beings I have ever encountered. Personal opinion. I ALSO believe he lied under oath at the Langbord trial, and as a person who has intimate contact with courts and judges and who has lived most of his life in the U.S. Eastern District Court territory in Pennsylvania, that offends me deeply.

"Physics" may be right about what he wrote above, but the Langbord trial exhibited that one reading RWB's tomes takes onboard a significant risk that what they're reading is pure fiction, or at best, unfounded conjecture.

With that, I'm done with this subject.

 

I'm trying to pawn some canned air from the die room. It's historick!

 

Now how cool is that.

Of all the past discussions of errors and stuff I've never really understood *exactly* how the coins are feed into the machine and stuff. Now I see, and see the feeding fingers stamped and stuff to understand how the errors are made more.

I don't think I've seen any post/website that goes through the entire process to make a newbie understand all this stuff. Those pics really fill in the gap to my knowledge quite well. Thanks for posting it.

 

The other option they had was to just scrap the stuff.

But nowadays, there's always a buyer for old stuff.
So they decided to just auction it off ...
If they just scraped it, no one would have known.