Obviously, the die-engraver had never seen the real animal

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  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Sometimes, die-engravers did a pretty good job and it's clear they were familiar with the animal they were portraying:

    Gallienus DIANAE CONS AVG gazelle antoninianus a.jpg Philip I AETERNITAS AVGG elephant antoninianus.jpg
    Antiochus III elephant.jpg

    But other times, it's clear the die-engraver had no experience with the real creature they were tasked with portraying.

    Look at the legs, for example, on this crocodile. The die engraver thinks crocodiles had dog-like legs!

    Augustus and Agrippa Nemausus Crocodile.jpg

    Real crocs:

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    And it's pretty clear that this English die-engraver had never seen an actual elephant:

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    Post your examples of such animals on coins!
     
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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I think it would be great fun to assemble "Least Realistic Animal" sets. Elephants alone would require an elephantine budget!

    Here's an eagle impersonating a chicken:

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    Marcus Aurelius
    posthumous issue struck under Commodus in CE 180
    sestertius; 27 mm, 22.8 gm. Rome
    Obv: DIVVS M ANTONINVS PIVS, bare head right
    Rev: CONSECRATIO / S-C, eagle with spread wings on globe, facing, head left
    Ref: RIC 656 (Commodus)

    A hippo which is certainly not the worst in terms of realism but it is still funny:

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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Tiberius
    Year 5, CE 18/9
    AE obol, 20 mm, 4.45 gm
    Obv: bare head right
    Rev: hippopotamus right; TIBEPIoY above; [L] E in exergue
    Ref: Emmett 62.5, R1; Geissen 47; Dattari-Savio 102 (this coin); RPC 5082
    ex Dattari collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1858-1923)
     
  4. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    but then, you have to wonder if the die engraver had seen a dragon, its pretty accurate. On the otherhand, he certainly mistook an eagle for a chicken. But these are still my most prized coins... from Transylvania. c1e16904c12c941c45199895d0bf38a2.jpg 8509643e54ef0b6532a3963962847482.jpg 21bcd389790308d1950e70beca3e033f.jpg 795d6b4fc3461edeeacab426258e5b35.jpg
     
  5. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Either a really nice rooster, or a really bad peacock... o_O

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    JULIA DOMNA
    AR Denarius. 2.43g, 19mm. Laodicea ad Mare mint, AD 200-207. RIC IV 640 var. (peacock); BMCRE V 602 var (same). O: IVLIA AVGVSTA, draped bust right. R: IVNO REGINA, Juno standing front, holding patera in right hand and sceptre in left; on left, in front of her, rooster (??) standing left.
    Ex A.K. Collection (Triton XX, 9 Jan 17, Part of Lot 614)
     
  6. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    LOL!!! I love it! Here's my example on which the peacock is only slightly more artistically rendered:

    Domna IVNO REGINA denarius.jpg
     
  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    In art, realism and photographic rendition are not always the first considerations. We also have to allow for the fact that many animals as we know them today have changed in the time since these coins were made. I have no idea what the elephants looked like then and how many subspecies have fallen away since. Add to that, the fact that I can't draw and I am less critical of some of the coin animals.
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    These two hippos were cut by the same mint at about the same time. Did two cutters argue over what they saw at the games?
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  8. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    My Crock has it's teeth outwards, so I guess some engraver thought crocs gum you to death.

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    Augustus, with Agrippa (27. B.C. 14 A.D.)
    GAUL, Nemausus
    Æ As
    O: Heads of Agrippa left, wearing rostral crown and laurel wreath, and Augustus right, wearing oak wreath, back to back. IMP above, DIVI F below.
    R: Crocodile right chained to palm branch with long vertical fronds; above, wreath with long ties, palms below; COL NEM flanking vertical palm.
    Nemausus mint, 9-3 B.C
    10.26g
    27mm
    RPC I 524; RIC 1 158
     
  9. PipersSpring

    PipersSpring Celeste Jones Mining

    The Phoenicians must have had a great many species of eagles, as the reverse of the shekel of Tyre seems to periodically change the bird. There is the 117 BC Eagles, Eagle, the 86 BC Penguin eagle, the 80 BC American Eagle, the extremely rare 46 BC Winston Churchill eagle, the equally rare 28 BC baby eagle, the 10 BC banded John Travolta eagle, the 36 AD all head and no body eagle and lastly, the very rare 65 BC Donald Trump eagle. 10 Shekel of Tyre.jpg
     

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  10. Nerva

    Nerva Well-Known Member

    IM-DKTF.jpg How about Hercules slaying the Nemean Bunny Rabbit? Caracalla, Blaundos Lydia, AE32.
     
  11. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

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  12. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Elagabalus Eagle on Antioch AR Tet:

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    The bottom part of the eagle is a bit weird, and the feet are too big...
     
  13. Ha brilliant! That croc and elephant in the OP is particularly hilarious :)

    Great coins!
     
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  14. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Maybe this engraver had seen an owl and maybe he hadn't, but either way, he made it look an awful lot like a winged bullfrog.

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  15. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Maybe this engraver was a time traveler who got mixed up, and maybe he wasn't.

    Cleopatra doesn't look anything like Liz Taylor here, but Marc Antony does look a lot like Donald Trump.

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    (Not my coin - wish it was.)
     
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  16. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Melania Trump is a better looker, then either Liz Taylor or the real Cleopatra VII:)! Esp. for her age.
     
  17. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Before I read the caption I thought to my self "Why is Herakles clubbing a poor bunny?" Fantastic coin!
     
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  18. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    You'd also think they never saw other people as well:

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    Britain, The Iceni, 65 – 1 BC
    Silver Unit, 13mm, 1.25 grams

    Obverse: Celticized head right, two trefoils before, triple pellets below.
    Reverse: Horse rearing right, pellet below tail, wheel above, lozenge shaped box below.

    Cost:
    £15

    References:
    Van Arsdell 794 // ABC 2567 // SCBC 434

    Provenance:
    Purchased at the London Coin Fair, mid 1990’s.
     
  19. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    The Celts were somethin', weren't they?

    The need for an adjective like "Celticized" says a lot.

    From a representative standpoint, one could call it "crude", or "bad art", but on the other hand, it's often downright cool-looking and almost beautiful, in an alien sort of way.
     
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  20. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Answer: Rabbit makes for fine dining. My favorite dish is roast rabbit (the domestic ones like flemish giants) Wild ones are good too but taste gamey if they feed on cedar.
    Rottie "ridin" a Flemish Giant Wabbit.:happy: flemish giant rabbit images.jpg th (3).jpg rabbit-roast-660x400.jpg
     
  21. halfcent1793

    halfcent1793 Well-Known Member

    I hate to be too obvious, but...

    I give you our nation's symbol: The broad-winged chicken!

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