Gassing coins -AT

I have asked you point blank if you think that PCGS TruView photos reflect the actual appearance of the coin? You have refused to answer that question. If you aren’t selling out, then answer the question.

Baseball21 and I defend the TPGs for two reasons, they are better graders than we are, and they have seen the coins in hand. Pretty much everyone else on this forum fancies themselves a grading savant and the TPG graders are overworked, inconsistent clowns. Just like Kurt rightly decided earlier in this thread to side with Q. David Bowers over me, we side with the TPGs over the internet graders.

I don’t criticize their grading because their grading is better than mine. I criticize their photos because they are not better than mine. Phil has better equipment and is a much better photographer, but the fact is that my coin photos look more like the actual coin than his.

So how many examples will we need in that thread before you declare victory? Or do you wanna see how it plays out, then decide?

 

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Talk about being blinded by cynicism.

When I say I can read a seller’s pictures, that means that they show enough where I can accurately predict how the coin will look in hand. And I do not need much since I have had a lot of practice buying from pictures and knowledge about how different conditions affect the appearance of coins in pictures. It is a skill, but one you apparently refuse to learn

As for my pictures, I have a philosophy where I will make the coins look as good as they do in hand, not better. When I take the picture, I compare the picture to the coin in hand to determine if my pictures accurately represent the coin. I have received a lot of feedback from buyers who are happy that the coin looks just like the pictures they bought from.

 

The TruViews do a good job of hiding some hits (enough to make some 63s look like a 65) and can make colors appear brighter. They are a glorified way the coin can look. While they are flawed, they are still one of the biggest source of photos and can be interpreted well enough to make the call between QC/not QC.

And I’m not looking to declare any victories nor would I claim that a few examples are enough. I’m commenting on the fact that the way you have set up your thread, it would take a significant amount of time to reach any conclusion as it will take months just to post the pictures that I already have available.

 

Overall they do, but the proof styles like what was posted with the washed out surface those will obviously look different in hand as I don't think many people would use that much light to view them.

 

Why on earth would I, when I have EASY access to more coins, RIDICULOUSLY OFTEN, in my hand than my resources will ever allow me to purchase? Dealing with photos and shipping is a pain in the butt I don’t want or need.

I DROP OFF coins to NGC (exclusively) and they take pics of everything now. Yes, the pics are uneven regarding exposure. Each shipment is internally consistent, but the consistency from shipment to shipment is bad. I have only once SENT coins to NGC. Too much of a pain to bother with shipping. My local post office is M-F only, inside the Federal Courthouse, when I am at work, lately solo a lot.

I just can’t understand why seemingly no one else sets their coin exposures with an 18% reflectance gray card.

 

When all else fails and you’re losing the debate, take a below the belt jab at somebody’s age to give yourself credibility. Classic.

Cynicism? I think not. Narcissism is more accurate.

 

Anyone under 40 I find incapable of cogent or important thought.

 

Then go live in a nursing home since you want to surround yourself with geriatrics as yourself.

 

I think I’ll continue as a certified exhibit judge, talk presenter and National Volunteer for the ANA, if it’s all the same to you. Post again when you learn a few things.

 

I don’t care who you are, I don’t care if you are the owner of NGC, and I don’t care who you know either. It does not change the fact that you come off as a pompous, rude, officious, and narcissistic individual and by your own admission in previous posts, are proud of your poor attitude and behavior, using your age and expertise to pass off inappropriate remarks.

I don’t know a fraction of your knowledge about coins, but I do possess a greater degree of tact in my dealings with others, something YOU should attempt to learn. Maybe you would command more respect and come off as less of a cranky, angry old man who hates the younger generation.

Attack somebody’s age and I speak up. I don’t appreciate it and when I ran a numismatic website six years ago, I did not tolerate that garbage either.

 

lol

 

That statement is absolutely absurd. Anyone capable of cogent and important thought would know how low IQ that statement comes across as

That's all I'm going to say on the subject

 

Ok, so you admit that TruViews don’t represent the coins actual appearance in hand but have concluded that they are good enough to determine AT/NT. That is ludicrous. The saturation and contrast enhancements are the primary reason why you are declaring these proof coins AT. As soon as you posted those photos I stated that I don’t think all of those coins are AT/QT and I stand by that because I don’t trust the accuracy of TruView photos.

As to your second paragraph, are you in a hurry?

 

I’m closer to 50 than I am 40, but that isn’t the point.

In general, experience should equate to wisdom, but I have found that people of the older generation are prone to resist technological advancements. In doing so, they relegate themselves to the ranks of the inexperienced. So when you tell us proudly that your favorite dealers use the internet as a dumping ground, that makes the rest of us think that dealer is insane.

 

I’m in no hurry. I just already know the narrative. “Oh we only found 10 examples in the past few months so it’s nowhere near as common as you say”

And it’s not all about the saturation and contrast. You can dial back the settings on those photos and I’d still reach the same conclusion. The patterns are just as bad on some of those as the colors.

 

Strip the color, like on that Kennedy and I’d still say it’s questionable.

 

I agree with this but I don’t think you can accomplish the vibrancy of these photos without saturation enhancements. There are coins that I used to own, that now reside in TruViews, and the difference in color vibrancy is significant.

 

So now you know what I’m going to say before I’ve said it. Grow up!

I’m not getting into the specific indicators of NT/AT for each of these coins in this thread, but suffice it to say that I don’t agree that the patterns are all questionable.

 

Is this gonna be your first coin?

 

That’s a joke. Toned or not, 1964 proof Kennedy’s are common. Slap some color on it and somehow it’s magically worth $850.