Maximian looks like a tetrarch

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Valentinian, Nov 2, 2018.

  1. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    :) thanks
     
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. tenbobbit

    tenbobbit Well-Known Member

    Here is another Galerius as Caesar -
    IMG_4937.JPG IMG_4938.JPG
     
  4. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    Here’s a few of my Maximians. The one from Carthage has one of those pointy upturned noses:

    Carthage
    6B26FBA5-C652-4708-B55D-07031C3206B9.jpeg
    Aquileia
    8FB32E88-ED55-42EB-8442-F3736346A960.jpeg
    Ticinum
    B999DFED-61CD-4181-83B6-C443CB052811.jpeg
     
  5. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Some of these mints had very distinctive styles. Aquileia, London, and Ticinum spring to mind for me.

    I found a comparison between the two Max portraits from Ticinum posted by @Al Kowsky and @Orange Julius and a Diocletian one I have to be interesting. The Max portraits have the characteristic "ski-jump" nose, and the Diocletian a clearly downturned one.

    Maximianus:
    00Maximian, Ticinum, 294-295 CE.jpg

    Maximianus:
    00Maximian Tic.jpeg

    Diocletian:
    Diocletian - Follis Genius Ticinum Dattari 2336.jpg
     
  6. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Comparison of London mint Diocletian and Maximian Herculius:

    RIC VI, Londinium, No. 6a, Diocletian, Augustus of the East:
    CT (Cloke & Toone), No. 2.01.003 (9), c. AD 296-303, Rarity: C

    [​IMG][​IMG]
    IMP C DIOCLETIANVS PF AVG .............................. GENIO POPV -- LI ROMANI

    Laureate, cuirassed, bust.
    From here on the laurel ribbon ties were secured behing the head
    10.4 gm.

    RIC VI, Londinium, No.6b, Maximian Herculius, Augustus of the West:
    CT (Cloke & Toone), No. 2.01.007 (5), c. AD 296-303, Rarity: C

    [​IMG][​IMG]
    IMP C MAXIMIANVS PF AVG ................. GENIO POPV -- LI ROMANI

    Laureate, cuirassed, bust.
     
  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I have to jump on to @Valentinian 's thread! :)

    TETRARCHY:

    MAXIMIANUS:
    upload_2018-11-4_20-58-24.png

    RI MAXIMIANUS HERCULIUS 286-305 CE antoninianus Antioch 292-295 CE Pre-Reform CONCORDIA MILITVM Jupiter RIC V 621 H-officina 8


    DIOCLETIAN:
    upload_2018-11-4_21-0-36.png

    RI Diocletian Ӕ Quinarius 1.46g 16mm Rome AD 284-305 IOVI CONSERVAT AVGG, Jupiter stndng thunderbolt sceptre RIC 193


    GALERIUS:
    RI Galerius 293-308 AE30mm Folles Ticinum mint Moneta 12g.jpg
    RI Galerius 293-308 AE30mm Folles Ticinum mint Moneta 12g


    CONSTANTIUS CHLORUS:
    upload_2018-11-4_21-6-9.png
    RI Constantius I Chlorus 293-306 CE DIVO AE Quinarius Thesalonika 317-318 Seated RIC VII 25 R5
     
  8. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    Here’s a few from Diocletian. All very different styles:

    Alexandria
    13DC166B-B5F3-4D35-A4B3-BEB466D8160B.jpeg
    Trier
    8CE0C7AB-D32B-4862-8F7F-B04760EB20AF.jpeg
    Cyzicus
    ED59E3AF-4C89-49C7-83EC-22E695B4389F.jpeg
     
  9. kolyan760

    kolyan760 Well-Known Member

    Military Issue 9C51237F-5934-4AD3-9057-65BF691EAF58.jpeg 3A56148D-089B-4CBB-B727-36AE0A7FF87A.jpeg
     
  10. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    Here’s one each (Diocletian and Max) from Lyons for comparison from 285/6:
    E82D66D6-670F-4DB9-A468-24718F9173B7.jpeg
    F67AADB9-A5E7-4CDC-87A6-2FA6D7C4A79F.jpeg
     
  11. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Orange Julius, the three coins you've posted illustrate the three main styles seen on Diocletian's new bronze reform coinage. 1. the follis from Alexandria represents the Asian style that shows abstraction & elements of cubism. 2. the follis from Trier still maintains elements of classical Roman portraiture & is based on realism. 3. the follis from Cyzicus represents a blending of styles from examples 2 & 3. The coinage from Cyzicus depicts all members of the Tetrarchy as look-alikes; you can no longer identify the man depicted by his portrait. I'd like to add one more portrait style to the three you posted seen on the photo below. 4. this portrait style is the "heroic - warrior" style rarely seen on the new bronze coinage but very common on the coins of Claudius II Gothicus, Aurelian, & Probus. This coin was also struck at the Trier Mint, c. 303-305, weighs 10.61 gm, RIC 587a, & was acquired at an auction long ago.
    Diocletian, RIC 587a.jpg
     
  12. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    Some Maximian's from collection:
    follis
    120-08.jpg quarter follis
    120-09.jpg antoninian
    120-05.jpg
     
  13. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

  14. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

  15. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    The Ticinum Mint, which was founded c. 276 CE, produced bronze folli of outstanding quality as can be seen on these three examples along with other coins posted on this thread. Their production staff found stiff competition from the Aquileia Mint that was opened c. 294 CE, & also produced coins of outstanding quality. The Ticinum Mint finally ceased operation in 326 when Constantine I ordered all their personnel & equipment to move to the new capital Constantinople.
     
    Caesar_Augustus likes this.
  16. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Here is my favorite portrait of Maximian:

    Maximian1GPRmmNone14159.jpg

    28 mm. 9.89 grams.
    London Mint.
    The common GENIO POPVLI ROMANI reverse
    RIC VI London 23b, "c. 303 onward".

    I think this one is realistic enough that we could identify him on the street. It is a bit of a surprise to see such quality from a remote mint like London.
     
  17. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Valentinian, you're right about the accuracy of the portraits on some of these London issues. This celator must have been a Roman import or an unusually gifted artist. Doug Smith & I also posted examples from London, & it looks like the three examples could have been done by the same celator. I paid an embarrassing amount of money for the one in my collection & have no regrets about it either...
     
  18. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    And the London mint maintained the quality after the dissolution of the Tetrarchy:

    RIC VII, London, Licinius, No. 3
    [​IMG][​IMG]

    • Reduced weight follis - 313 to 314
    • O: Licinius laureate and cuirassed bust right - IMP LICINIVS PF AVG
    • R: Genius with modius on head, chlamys over left shoulder, holding patera (rh) cornucopia (l) -GENIO POP ROM - PLN (exergue) S (l) F (r)
     
  19. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I would live an exame of the heroic type!
     
  20. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Did it bother no one that the coin in question had no A between the I and N so it could only be a Maximinus II? I wasted my time writing a page no one read.
    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/max.html

    The fact remains that you need to read every letter and even then will have to use some care separating several sets of rulers in the Roman set.
     
    Valentinian likes this.
  21. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    Here's one from Carthage mint with a reverse that I haven't seen represented in the thread yet - Africa.
    CollageMaker_20180531_122510323.jpg
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page