Maximian looks like a tetrarch

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  1. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    I love coins of the tetrarchy (founded by Diocletian). Books often say the art of the period emphasized unity and their portraits are almost indistinguishable. That is false in the realm of coinage. Maximian usually looks much different from the others (especially because his nose is often upturned, or at least has a bulb on its end, and his co-rulers did not). The portraits may be less realistic, but they are usually still distinguishable.

    I'll let others post other styles of coins of Maximian and the other tetrarchs. I am posting this one which just arrived. I wanted it because from this mint (Nicomedia) the style really is tetrarchal and not very individual.

    Maximian1GPRmmSMNA1889.jpg
    You can still see his (here only slightly) ski-jump nose, but what attracted me was the huge round head and thick tree-trunk neck. Clearly the realism of earlier styles was not the goal of the engraver.
    27-26 mm. 9.275 grams.
    IMP C MA MAXIMIANVS PF AVG
    laureate head right
    GENIO POPVLI ROMANI, Genius standing left [an extremely common type]
    SMNA
    RIC VI Nicomedia 29b, "c. 303-304"

    Show us some other coins of the tetrarchy!
     
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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I haven't make a study of their portraits but now i have to browse ACsearch to do a nose check :D.

    Below are my only two Imperial tetrarchs-- Maximian and Diocletian. The mints are different but Maximian does have a slightly upturned nose.

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    Maximianus, 286-305 AD
    AE follis, 9.9 gm, 27 mm

    Obv: IMP C M A MAXIMIANVS PF AVG, laureate head right
    Rev: GENIO POPVLI ROMANI, Genius standing left holding cornucopia and pouring from a patera; XXI in left field, E in right field, ALE in exergue
    Mint: Alexandria
    Ref: RIC VI 30b

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    Diocletian
    CE 302-303, Antioch
    AE follis, 27 mm, 9.57 gm
    Obv: IMP C DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG, laureate head right
    Rev: GENIO POPVLI ROMANI, Genius standing left, naked but for chlamis covering shoulders and modius on head, holding cornucopia and pouring from a patera; K in left field, Δ/V in right field; ANT in exergue
    Ref: RIC VI 56a
    Secret Santa gift from @Pishpash :)
     
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  4. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    A few Maximian portrait styles:
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    And here are some magnificent examples from the London mint plus one invasion issue, belonging to @jamesicus, of which I am temporary custodian:
    Screen Shot 2018-11-02 at 4.39.57 PM.jpg
    RIC VI London 6b, Maximian Herculius, Cloke & Toone 2.01.007, c. 296-303

    Screen Shot 2018-11-02 at 4.43.31 PM.jpg
    RIC VI London 76b (abdication issue), Cloke & Toone 4.01.003, c. May 305 - Spring 307, Rare

    Screen Shot 2018-11-02 at 4.44.21 PM.jpg
    Invasion issue, (RIC VI Lugdunum 14b), issued 294, Rare
     
  5. Fugio1

    Fugio1 Well-Known Member

    I no longer own this coin but when I collected them actively, I was also touched by the unique styles of the coins of the Tetrarchy. Here is a Diocletion portrait from the "Senior Augustus" series with full bust.
    DiocletianSenAug.jpg

    Diocletian
    RIC Treveri 671
     
  6. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Three 'different' ones
    Maximianus London mint by Carausius
    ru3485bb3048.jpg

    Divus Maximianus by Constantine I
    ru3690bb1428.jpg

    Maximianus tetradrachm of Alexandria year 9
    pa2695bb3203.jpg
     
  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    London mint as Senior Augustus
    ru3685fd2522.jpg
     
  8. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Don't have many of the Tetrarchy emperors
    but some real beauties in this thread, i guess my Maximianus is the ski ramp nose variety.

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    Catalog: RIC 118; Coh. 64
    Material: Bronze
    Weight: 7.11 g
    Maximianus I. Herculius, 2nd Government 307-310 AD
    Follis
    Aquileia, 1st Officina, 307 AD
    Vs .: IMP C MAXIMIANVS PF AVG, head with laurel wreath on the
    reverse: CONSERV VRB SVAE / AQP, six columnar Temple with cult image of the Roma

    ex Münzzentrum Müller, auction 72, 1992, lot 533
     
  9. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    The artwork is much less well-rendered, I think, on the post-reform radiates. Is this a portrait of Diocletian or of Maximian on this uncleaned-lot-special? I'm going with Max because of the ski-jump nose, but you just can't say for sure.

    Diocletian or Maximian.jpg
     
  10. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Maximian, RIC 022, London, Struck 303 CE, 9.67 gm.
    London, RIC 022, struck 303 CE, obv..jpg London, RIC 022, struck 303 CE, rev..jpg
     
  11. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

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  12. tenbobbit

    tenbobbit Well-Known Member

    Really nice coins everyone, some stunners in there too.
    Mine will drag the standard down to Kevin's level of strike quality.
    Messy Obverse & Reverse due to strike issues.
    Weight 9.90g Size 28mm.
    IMG_5105.JPG IMG_5106.JPG
     
  13. Caesar_Augustus

    Caesar_Augustus Well-Known Member

    I've got an abdication follis of Maximian from the Heraclea mint :) Very nice Maximian's all around! I've also got a Maximian follis from Antioch to add to my Maximian/Diocletian/Galerius/Constantius/Severus set of folles from Antioch with the genio reverse. Only have Galerius and Severus remaining. :)
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  14. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    @Valentinian I can see why you would be attracted to that portrait for the unusual depiction.

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    Maximian, AD 286-305
    AE, Follis, 8.8g, 31mm; 6h; Heraclea
    Obv.: IMP CMA MAXIMIANVS PF AVG; laureate head right
    Rev.: GENIO POPV-L-I ROMANI; Genius standing left, modius on head, naked except for chlamys over shoulder (falls low), holding paera from which liquid flows and cornucopiae
    In Ex.: HTΓ
    (Gosh I love how this coin came out in the photo!)

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    Maximianus, AD 286-305
    AE, antoninianus, 23mm, 4.06g; 12h; Lugdunum, AD 290-294
    Obv.: IMP MAXIMIANVS AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right
    Rev.: SALVS AVGG; Salus standing right feeding serpent in arms
    In Ex.: C
     
  15. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I'm a little late to the party, but I've always loved a good Maximianus portrait and have enjoyed all of these posted. Here are a few of mine.

    Maximianus - Hercvli Victori.jpg
    MAXIMIANUS
    AE Follis. 10.5g, 26.7mm. Alexandria mint, 1st officina, AD 304-305. RIC VI 38. O: IMP C M A MAXIMIANVS PF AVG, laureate head right. R: HERCVLI VICTORI, Hercules standing slightly right, head left, holding club and apples, with lion skin draped over arm; S in left field, P over A in right field, ALE in exergue.

    Maximianus - Felix Africa Dattari 2337.jpg
    MAXIMIANUS
    AE Follis. 10.03g, 26.5mm. Carthage mint, AD 297. RIC VI 21b. O: IMP MAXIMIANVS P F AVG, laureate head right. R: FELIX AD-VENT AVGG N N, Africa standing left, holding standard in right hand, tusk in left, lion at feet left; B in left field, PKS in exergue.
    Ex Giovanni Dattari Collection (1853-1923)

    Maximianus - Argenteus Victoriae Sarmatica 2326 b.jpg
    MAXIMIANUS
    AR Argenteus. 3.11g, 17.9mm. Nicomedia mint, circa AD 295-296. RIC VI Nicomedia 25b; RSC 553c. O: MAXIMIANVS AVG, laureate head right. R: VICTORIAE SARMATICAE, campgate with four turrets, doors open, and star above archway; SMNΓ in exergue.
     
  16. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Here's an old stevex6 Maximian follis. Did a CoinTalker buy it? It's no longer in Pierre's eBay store.

    Steve is back in the hospital, this time with pulmonary emboli :(. He's not fond of being cooped up in the hospital nor is he accustomed to feeling so run down, so it is hard on him.

    CT-SteveX6-MaximianusKFC.jpg
    Maximianus AE Follis
    (Cyzicus mint)
    Date: 305 AD
    Diameter: 28.5 mm
    Weight: 8.44 grams
    Obverse: D N MAXIMIANO BEATISSIMO SEN AVG - Bust of Maximianus, holding mappa and branch
    Reverse: PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG - Providentia and Quies facing each other. * between, S / F in fields, KD in exergue
    References: RIC 28 b
     
  17. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Gawd, Z-- those are spectacular!!!
     
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  18. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Damn, it sucks that Steve is back in the hospital. :( Here's hoping that he'll have a speedy recovery and be back on his feet and howling at the moon again soon.

    I didn't buy that Maximianus of his, but the types are appropriate. Right now Steve could do with a blessing from Quies, the goddess of good ol' R & R.

    Mine has Maximianus polishing off what appears to be a BBQ rib.

    Maximianus - Prov Quies.jpg
     
  19. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    zumbly, I like the tiny Donald Trump like hands on the abdication issues :smuggrin:.
     
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  20. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    And to think with those teeny tiny hands he clung on so tenaciously to power that he had to be forced to retire not once but three times. If Constantine hadn't made the last retirement a permanent one, who knows how many times he may have come back. :wideyed:
     
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  21. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    zumbly, good point, I think he would have wasted his entire family for another chance.....
     
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