GTG: 1921-S Morgan - thornhead variety

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by C-B-D, Oct 29, 2018.

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What do you grade it?

  1. VF20

    14.3%
  2. VF25

    21.4%
  3. VF30

    17.9%
  4. VF35

    25.0%
  5. XF40

    21.4%
  6. XF45

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. AU50

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    I don’t see any evidence of a harsh cleaning, to me, this is how they are supposed to look.
     
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  3. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I'll reply tomorrow afternoon. This is fun.
     
  4. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I saw the grade in the other thread, I can’t guess.
     
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  5. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    @Insider? Were you going to say something?
     
  6. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

  7. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Kripes......I would have said VF.
     
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  8. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    I thought it was a VF25 or VF30. Very worn and no luster.
     
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  9. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    You're honest and a realist.........now how did those folks come up with the higher grade? Late liquid lunch?
     
  10. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Well, results of the poll show that not one single person thought it was as high as an XF45. @Insider wanted me to start this thread so he could gather info and comment about the coins grade. I'm sure he'll be here soon.
     
  11. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I was late to this but gave it a 40.
     
  12. chascat

    chascat Well-Known Member

    VF35, but the strike on the S mint can be a mushy one...may just make a 40.
     
  13. LA_Geezer

    LA_Geezer Well-Known Member

    I'm still learning, but aside from my ignorance of the VAM nomenclature, I'd say that I have about a half-dozen 1921s from all three mints that otherwise look like this one. My records show that I paid $24.65 for the '21S, but I wouldn't think it's anywhere near an XF45.
     
  14. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I said VF-35, max XF-40. Classic overgraded coin
     
  15. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I was at a 30, missed the thread till today. Wondering how they came up with 45?

    @Insider
     
  16. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    45 was a gift, but realistically, there's very little, if any, price difference between a VF35 and an XF45 for the VAM 1B6.
     
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  17. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Sorry, to take so long...

    I'm still an AU. IMO, the "S"' Mint strike + the surface has netted the coin down to XF-45 by folks who actually had the coin itself to examine. I'll post an image of a 21-S with full mint luster and much less detail as soon as I can.

    So for now, I'm on the limb all by myself but I'd be much happier if everyone at least thought the coin was an XF. So sad. :(
     
  18. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    I've been looking at pictures of other circulated, slabbed examples of this coin. I think that the grade doesn't look too far out of line, but we are used to seeing more luster on Morgan's, so we are shooting low. What gives??

    I'm being pigheaded probably, but I still think this coin looks a little bit cleaned on my screen.
     
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  19. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    By the photogs? No way..........look at the breast feathers on the reverse. Were San Fran 21's poorly struck? If so I might change my opinion.
     
  20. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    From pcgscoinfacts...
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  21. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    XF40. Hair is a little weak, but it is a '21-S. The feathers on the reverse are still very strong. A bit of luster too. We're talking XF, which means it has wear, not AU.
     
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