French 2S from 1792

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  1. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Any info would be appreciated, apparently a French copper coin, with (what appears to be) a silver wash, from 1792.
    obv: Loius?
    Rev: 2S?
    Thanks
    Frank
     

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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's a 2 sols from the Besacon mint struck in bronze. Value is minimal.
     
  4. bart

    bart Senior Member

    This French 2 sols was minted in Strasbourg (mintmark BB).

    It was issued after the French revolution in 1789 and before the beheading of the king in 1793.
    This is showing in the coin: the king is no longer king "by the grace of God", but his titles (in French, no longer in Latin) are coming after "the nation" and "the law". (Legends say "LA NATION LA LOI LE ROI). Louis XVI has become a constitutional king instead of ruling by divine right.
    The king is also not anymore "king of France" but "king of the French" (ROI DES FRANCAIS). He became a sort of first citizen.

    You have the special variety with ROI DES FRANCAIS instead of ROI DES FRANCOIS. KM#612.
    Krause gives a catalog value of 10 $ for VG.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Not often I would correct you Bart. Normally, yes BB is Strasbourg. But in the case of the sol and 2 sols coin of this type it is Besancon
     
  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Wow, thank you all.
    Would this grade AG?
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    IMO, at best yes.
     
  8. bart

    bart Senior Member

    I am afraid I have to stick to Strasbourg, specially in the case of this variety KM#612 ROI DES FRANCAIS with A (not FRANCOIS with O). Not only Krause attributes it to Strasbourg, but also the known website www.cgb.fr , which is very reliable on French coins.

    Look here, at number 78, which is the same coin as Frank's.
    Also nrs.79 and 80 are the same type, but of a different year. They are all attributed to Strasbourg (mintmark BB).

    By the way: they give as alloy : bell metal (métal de cloche). Many of those revolutionary coins were struck in bell metal
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah I know. But I am quoting from Monnaies Francaises 1789-2003 by Victor Gadoury. It is essentially the equivalent of the Red Book for French coins. Neither Ciani nor Duplessy make mention of this difference for the mint mark on these coins - they do not say either way. Only Gadoury provides the listing.
     
  10. bart

    bart Senior Member

    Quoting Gadoury, I can understand your point of view.:thumb:
     
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