1982 lincoln ( Zinc ) Nice Retained Lamination

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  1. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Another change .
    It's also wexler #4 .
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  3. Dave363

    Dave363 Well-Known Member

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  4. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Lovely! :wideyed:
    Thanks for sharing!
     
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  5. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    What do you mean by a "Wexler #4"?
    Interesting find. Does the coin you posted really have a Lamination or is it just a Plating Blister do to the fact that it is a copper plated Zinc Coin?
    It looks to me like a blister that has expanded to the point where it has ripped open
    and is now leaking out zinc oxide between the the "E" & "C" .
     
  6. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Wexler DDO-004 too .
    http://doubleddie.com/828781.html

    I'll take a new image between the E & C where the rip, or tare is .
     
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  7. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

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  8. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    If I remember correctly .
    Lamination errors are caused from improper alloy mixture .
     
  9. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Lamination on a plated Zincoln? Unfortunately, I don't think so.
     
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  10. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Improper Alloy Mix can result in a "Woody".
    A poorly mixed Alloy may contribute to a lamination peel.
    A lamination error is caused by a folding of metal upon itself.
    They are listed as two separate categories.
    http://www.error-ref.com/part-v-planchet-errors/
     
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  11. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    In the case of the Copper Plated Zinc (CPZ) cent. The Core is Zinc, not an alloy of two/three different metal that are mix together. There is no Improper Alloy Mix that could cause a Lamination Error in/on a CPZ cent.
     
  12. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Lamination errors can also result from trapped gas bubbles in the melt, so single metal, non-alloyed coins CAN have laminations as well. Molten metal often has dissolved gases in it, so once the melt is liquid it is kept that way for a little while to allow the gases to come out of solution. Also if the melt temperature is too high you can have some volitaization of the metal that creates bubbled (as when water boils) This is less of a problem today than it used to be because they have better temperature control, and the inductions furnaces set up convection cells in the melt which help to release dissolve gases. But it IS possible for the zinc core to have a lamination
     
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  13. Rick Stachowski

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    Would a contaminated mixture ( zinc ) also lead to a lamination ?
     
  14. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    It could if there foreign material, a piece of carbon, a little slag etc. If it is imbedded in the ingot it doesn't roll out like the metal does. Think of it like pie or pastry crust. A properly made crust had little bits of butter all through it. When it gets rolled out the bits of butter get spread out as well but it keeps the dough above and below from bonding together and the result is a flaky crust. Ingot with an inclusion gets rolled out and you get a "flaky" planchet.
     
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  15. Rick Stachowski

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    So would this be caused by a contaminated mixture ( copper ) which started a blow hole .
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  16. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    That one confuses me. I could see if a gas bubble near the surface was trapped and when struck, built up pressure that was released when the die lifted causing the “blowout”. As @Conder101 pointed out, gas bubbles can be retained in a melt. However, if the original ingot had a bubble, I would expect it to be flattened and elongated during the strip rolling process, not stay as a spherical bubble. Therefore, I don’t see how this could be a mint error. Can anybody tell me what I’m missing?
     
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  17. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Here's a good article .
    http://www.error-ref.com/ragged-perforations/
     
  18. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Thanks for the reference. I learned something new.

    I don’t think the defect on the coin you posted is due to tensile stresses. Error-ref says the tearing is due to the metal being brittle and “breaking” instead of deforming. Your coin looks like there the metal was malleable and deformed, not brittle. Just my thoughts
     
  19. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Could be a strike-through ...
     
  20. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The raised rim of metal in the field area at the left edge of the "hole" tells me it was the result of PSD.
     
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  21. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

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