Market acceptable or AT?

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AT or NT

  1. AT

    83.3%
  2. NT

    16.7%
  1. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Bought this from an antique shop, quite a few years ago, cardboard 2*2 amongst a bunch of other coins MS and circulated.
    I was wondering what everyone thought of the toning?
    I believe that it is a SMS coin not a BS. IMG_0001_1.JPG IMG_0003_1.JPG
     
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  3. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Acceptable........I've got coins of this era that were in manila flips that look quite the same..........
     
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  4. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    My guess would be Questionable Color (AT). That circle/oval on the reverse (under the "A" of "AMERICA") is a potential sign of where chemicals were applied.
     
  5. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It would be fun to see a photo from a stereo microscope on those bright areas. As far as I have is an adjustable microscope lense that I use for a loupe. And I can't see the out line of a drop being applied.
     
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  6. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    I would vote AT also IF the intensity and vividness of the color is accurate in the photo.
     
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  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Yes the vividness is there. What isn't shown is the reflective fields. It is very flashy.
     
  8. DUNK 2

    DUNK 2 Well-Known Member

    Great looking coin!

    I’m not sure if this is what you’re asking, but I think the TPGs would consider it “questionable color”.
     
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  9. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Bright fuchsia with a spot on the reverse like that?

    AT all the way. That is not a shade that I've ever seen across an entire coin like that. Looks weird.
     
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  10. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    NT, I do this on the premise that the two areas on the reverse could have come from the cent being placed against some sort of metal and a reaction took place between the two. Have it tested if you want. it's the only true way you are going to know if it's AT or NT, all we are doing here is speculating.
     
  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I did some searching on coin facts and this color, that I have done my best to portray. I have found this color on some MS coins, and hints on other SMS coins. I have been looking at this coin for a couple weeks now, thinking the same thing.
     
  12. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Thanks, It is perty in hand.
     
  13. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I think that the spot that I worry about the most is the one on the E of united.
     
  14. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Yes, you can probably find quite a few coins with this shade. It is a natural shade - and that's why this coin is deceiving. It is a color that you will find on naturally toned Lincolns.

    However, you won't find a naturally toned Lincoln where this is the only shade. This fuchsia color more likely will appear in a sequence such as the naturally toned coin below:

    IMG_1173 copy.jpg
    IMG_1197 copy.jpg
     
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  15. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    If you have any photos, I would like to see.
    I am definitely on the fence with this one.
     
  16. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    That's a Perty 57'. I do see your point on the progression, of colors.
    Here is one of the plate coins on PCGS. 65 plate coin.jpg This coin didn't show this deep of tone 3 or so years ago. The spots do bother me.
    I think that I should take a few more try's at better portraying this coin.
    Trying to get surface conditions, and color tones are difficult for me to capture at the same time. It really has a natural look to it.
     
  17. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    But you see, the fuchsia on that coin is not uniform. Take a look at the reverse - there are shades of blue, green, and variations across the reverse. It's not the same uniform shade across the entire reverse and obverse.

    Compare that to your coin, which has a single unique shade on both the obverse and reverse with no variation. That is clearly AT.
     
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  18. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Gotta wait till I get back home (out of town at the moment). Back when I was a kid, I saved a whole bunch of mid sixties cents and put them in the manila flips.........fast forward to three years ago, I popped them out of the 'flips' and put them into the conventional 2x2's.........every one of these coins exhibits some kind of 'rainbow'
    Actually, upon second look (and before I've had my first 'nip' of scotch) my examples don't look quite as intense with the color (fusia?). There are a lot of 'greens mixed in......The 'juice' that produced this effect was exactly the same 'juice' I was on (last nite) when I made my assessment........:)

    Hold me to posting my examples, P & G.......this is a very good thread and I don't want to forget, so remind me from time to time, about posting..........I can be so much like 'forgetful Jones'..........:)
     
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  19. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Green, ol' pal, the Roses have been kind to me tonight. I've had Four of these Roses, and each one was delicious. (Bourbon Joke - Four Roses small batch...mmmmm)

    But, the "rainbow" and the "bit of greens" is exactly why I say the OP's coin is a fake - he's got a straight up shot of pomegranate juice, and when you order a drink at the bar, you want something good!
     
  20. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I definitely see the color progressions on that coin.
     
  21. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Give me a week or so and I'll post mine........:) Unless, toning from old manila flips is an unacceptable process......AT.......who knew at the time? I was just storing these things......kripes, I was 15.......:)
     
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