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S-196 with the Overdate with the second 0 high. The Reverse among other things, has a stemless berry under E(D).

 

I'm quite confident in the reverse P. Key points are the berry stem under C(E) pointing slightly east of north toward the middle of C and the berry stem left of O(N) pointing almost due east above ONE. I don't see any cracks on either the Obverse or reverse to help identify the Die States. But this may be due to wear or what may be an old smoothing of the fields.

This reverse was paired with Obverses 11 (S-204) and 12 (S-205). It is usually easy to distinguish between those due to a bald spot on 12 below extra curl. In this case, I cannot tell if a lack of detail is from the die or PMD. I am tentatively identifying it as Obverse 12 based on the position of the HWH centered under the upright of the R rather than the right side of the upright of the R. Also, what appears to be a broken left base of the Y.

So tentatively, the S-205. I would feel better if I could see the crack through the bases of CA. Both are R4 varieties.

 

I could see no line through the bases of CA. There is a line looking like a stretched out Z below the C and going further away from the A.

 

S-216

 

Another S-216.

 

must be R1.

 

This is another almost instantly recognizable variety, It is S-213 with the wavy parallel lines in front of the forehead. The reverse does not show the usual die cracks or clash in the denominator so it is an early die state/stage.

 

Easy is okay.

 

This is instantly recognizable, at least to me. This is a late state/stage S-220 (VI probably) with the reverse die cracks at the top of the reverse and a 1/000 fraction. It has an extensive crack, but no CUD over AM.

I have 5 of these from die state.stage I (no crack), unseen by Noyes to what I call a die state/stage IX, later than Breen or Noyes.

This is my state/stage IX Reverse with the CUD over AM extended to the right side of M. But it might simply be a Late VIII.

And this is my I without the crack:


The problem with Breen VIII is that none of my examples is sharp enough to show a rim break over A(T), so deciding between VII and VIII is tough.

 

Wow.

 

This is an easy attribution of the variety. S-232. The reverse is unique among the 1802s with the fraction bar from almost touching the left ribbon at the bend to almost touching the right ribbon above the bend. The closest to it is the S-241 and it has no stems and is still below the ribbon bends.

Now the fun part is the Die Stage/State. It's definitely late due to the CUD above AT.

Breen shows seven die states, but none mention a CUD and focus on rim breaks. The comp for his terminal die state VII does not show this CUD.

Noyes, on the other hand, shows this CUD on his stages C, D and E. His C had the left side of the CUD perpendicular to the rim with D and E showing the CUD developing at an angle towards (S)T.

Now yours shows this angular development more than any of his comps. His D actually looks more developed to me than his E though a light crack from the top of E to the rim over S can't be seen. I think I can almost see this crack, but not well enough to rule out just seeing what I expect to see there.

So bottom line, I would use the CUD angularity to call it either stage E or a new F. The weak crack above E to the rim does seem contradictory though.

Also, the prominent clash is reminiscent of this Holmes example without the CUD, but not seen on any of the Noyes examples:

 

My imagination takes over when I continue to look at something like this. Let's call it a G.

 

I'll ID this while online. The obverse is clearly 1802. The reverse is missing a berry right of (N)T limiting it to Reverses H and K. K is eliminated because the point of the leaf under D is under the upright, rather than the curve of D as on K. So his is Reverse H.

Reverse H is paired with 3 obverses. 8 (S-234), 9 (S-235) and 10 (S-236).

Obverse 8 has the HWH between E and R and the SHWH between B and E. SO this is eliminated since the subject HWH in under the middle of R and the SHWH is under the center of E.

Obverse 9 has the HWH under the upright of R and the SHWH is under the upright of E so it is eliminated.

Obverse 10 matches.

This is the S-236. R1.

 

Remarkable.

 

Back to another S-232 with the high fraction bar. This one also has the reverse CUD. I can also see the crack over S on this one so definitely either Noyes Die Stage E or a new F, depending on whether the angularity on the CUD is sufficiently different to call it a new die stage.

Also, the obverse shows a distinct CUD right of Y which might be sufficient to call the Obverse Die Stage C. Weakness there on worn coins can be seen, but I haven't seen one with such a distinct CUD.

Just double check for edge damage there which can produce the same effect. I think I see something in the photos which might indicate the edge damage, but examination in the copper is required.

There also appears to be rim crumbling under the lowest curl to under 18 and more crumbling at the rim under the tip of the bust. It's late, even if the "CUD" turns out to be from damage. Or those could be from edge damage also.

 

The cud after Y is caused by edge damage. The same with under 18. There is an edge ding at cud over AT but not nearly enough to cause cud.